Doc Henry Posted October 10, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is true that when looking at a beautiful picture, it is necessary that this picture reflects a soul. This is the case of a "silver" film picture because everything is smooth and sentimental with these lines, sometimes "blurred " but perfectly artistic that many artists are looking for ! an image of poppy quite simply Kodak TX 400 M7 90Macro-Elmar Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for your comment Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for your comment Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235270-wild-poppy-2in-film/?do=findComment&comment=2686565'>More sharing options...
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Doc Henry Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share #2 Posted October 10, 2014 .... another example of picture Wild poppy in wheat field Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Kodak TX400 M7 Macro-Elmar (uncropped) Thanks for looking Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Kodak TX400 M7 Macro-Elmar (uncropped) Thanks for looking Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235270-wild-poppy-2in-film/?do=findComment&comment=2686570'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted October 10, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 10, 2014 Both are quite lovely; romantic, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted October 10, 2014 Both are quite lovely; romantic, too. Thank you Stuart for your nice comment Regards Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted October 10, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 10, 2014 Henry, A lovely pair. The first looks like it's an ageless picture from the past. The second is a beautiful composition with great tones and bokeh. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted October 10, 2014 Henry, A lovely pair. The first looks like it's an ageless picture from the past. The second is a beautiful composition with great tones and bokeh. Paul Thank you Paul for your fidelity and for your nice comment Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 10, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) These are two beautiful photos. I know your thoughts on film vs digital and these certainly demonstrate the beauty of grain. I find that I'm usually putting some noise back into almost all of my digital photographs (especially the ones for print) for exactly this reason. Yes it is noise, not grain, and therefore different but the results seem so much more 'organic' that what sometimes seem to be overly clean digital files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted October 11, 2014 These are two beautiful photos. I know your thoughts on film vs digital and these certainly demonstrate the beauty of grain. I find that I'm usually putting some noise back into almost all of my digital photographs (especially the ones for print) for exactly this reason. Yes it is noise, not grain, and therefore different but the results seem so much more 'organic' that what sometimes seem to be overly clean digital files. Mark, I agree about "background noise" or "grain". But what I wanted to say these are the "grains" that I see (when i enlarge the picture) and what is special about the film, that certain do not see (look at 100% crop below). These are "silver grains" (a few microns) and not "square pixels". Silver grains impressed by the light ,when you take the picture, and according to the light are "more or less" black or gray. This is what I call the "scale of gradation" of black and gray that digital can not capture, due to the structure itself of the film compared to the sensor Thanks for your very interesting comment and for looking Mark Best Henry another picture I enlarged and framed with large margin "Wild poppy in wheat field" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 MacroElmar 90 Uncropped and a crop 100% (magnification of the film is more than enough to get something correct) can be enlarged and put in a frame like this with some small imperfections I recognize Regards Henry Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 MacroElmar 90 Uncropped and a crop 100% (magnification of the film is more than enough to get something correct) can be enlarged and put in a frame like this with some small imperfections I recognize Regards Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235270-wild-poppy-2in-film/?do=findComment&comment=2687055'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 11, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 11, 2014 Henry, this is one of the reasons why I much prefer my Monochrom to my M9 and M240. The different noise structure is intrinsically much more 'filmic', but obviously not the same as film. These two were shot with an X-PanII on film (Ektar) and converted to B&W. I cannot reproduce the look in digital files. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I love the X-Pan but the lenses are just too slow for general use. However, I'm about to sell my M9 and a few redundant Zeiss lenses. I do feel an M7 coming on! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I love the X-Pan but the lenses are just too slow for general use. However, I'm about to sell my M9 and a few redundant Zeiss lenses. I do feel an M7 coming on! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/235270-wild-poppy-2in-film/?do=findComment&comment=2687096'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 11, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted October 11, 2014 Henry, this is one of the reasons why I much prefer my Monochrom to my M9 and M240. The different noise structure is intrinsically much more 'filmic', but obviously not the same as film. These two were shot with an X-PanII on film (Ektar) and converted to B&W. I cannot reproduce the look in digital files. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I love the X-Pan but the lenses are just too slow for general use. However, I'm about to sell my M9 and a few redundant Zeiss lenses. I do feel an M7 coming on! Mark , about the MM , look at the post 1251 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/286747-i-like-film-open-thread-63.html I criticized the digital images as MM, these are the "edges or lines" too "smooth" and there it shows well ! The XPan of Hasselblad is a good film rangefinder camera too.... but it's not a Leica Mark , try a M7 Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 11, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 11, 2014 Such beautiful shots! I guess it all depends on how closely you really want to look at an image....close enough to dissect it? If the image really has that intangible "soul" (I quote Doc Henry) it probably won't be inspected all that closely. But nostalgia for grain, don't we all have it! Mark, an M7!!....I'm jealous, will you be setting up a darkroom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 11, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 11, 2014 Henry, I went over the photo of that arch you commented on. If you mean the halo effect where the arch meets the sky, that is often an artefact of post processing and not something I have seen in any of my photos. If you mean the heterogeneity of the dark grey within the structure of the arch itself I think that is just reflects the amount of detail that can be pulled out for the shadows in Monochrom files - I don't consider it a fault. Personally, if this was my photograph I would have dealt with the shot-to-video look with the introduction of noise. Anyhow, the Monochrom is still my favourite camera. See what happens when I get the M7. Dee, no intention of setting up a wet darkroom! I really have to draw the line somewhere and I have access to an outstanding master B&W printer close by who also develops B&W film at very reasonable prices (Blanco Negro, Sydney). I can then scan & print at home, or get him to print as I choose. I thought about an M4-P, M6, or MP but I really want the option of aperture-priority auto. So if I don't want to use manual I have the option of taking an exposure reading where I want, lock in the shutter-speed, recompose, and shoot - I find this very quick and efficient and would not want to give it up for the purity of full manual. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 12, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 12, 2014 Dee, no intention of setting up a wet darkroom! I really have to draw the line somewhere and I have access to an outstanding master B&W printer close by who also develops B&W film at very reasonable prices (Blanco Negro, Sydney). I can then scan & print at home, or get him to print as I choose. I thought about an M4-P, M6, or MP but I really want the option of aperture-priority auto. So if I don't want to use manual I have the option of taking an exposure reading where I want, lock in the shutter-speed, recompose, and shoot - I find this very quick and efficient and would not want to give it up for the purity of full manual. Regards, Mark Mark, interesting!! I would dearly love to acquire an M6 and have been tossing the idea around for sometime...but keep talking myself out of it. The need for a scanner is putting me off a bit as I know nothing about them, do you currently have one? If so do you have any recommendations, obviously I would only want to scan 35mm? Is it much of a learning curve? I've heard good things about Blanco Negro from the people at Gold Street Studios in Victoria and they would certainly be an option, particularly for you as you are so conveniently located. I would probably develop my own film, lot's of fun to do in the kitchen! By the way I absolutely agree with your remarks about the MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 12, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 12, 2014 H Dee, do you ever use aperture priority auto on your other cameras? This is what decided me on the M7, like my old Nikon days (FM, FM2, F3/T). I have my old Nikon Coolscan 5000 up and running again but also have an Epsom flat bed. You should view the Scanning software as your raw converter for negatives. Just need nice clean negatives (blower and isopropyl alcohol for the spotted & dirty ones. I'm still on the scanning learning curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 12, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 12, 2014 Back to Henry's photos, what I really like about these is the dominance of grain in a close-up or macro photograph giving an almost impressionist look to the image. This is the opposite of what we often see in macro photography where image fidelity is thought to be paramount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share #16 Posted October 12, 2014 Back to Henry's photos, what I really like about these is the dominance of grain in a close-up or macro photograph giving an almost impressionist look to the image. This is the opposite of what we often see in macro photography where image fidelity is thought to be paramount. Interesting exchange between Mark and Dee Mark macro brings more to the picture by revealing details not seen with a lens like a 50mm per example. The MM is showing too much "digital images" to me and that's why I did not buy. Some are like "computer graphics" but it is convenient because we have the image immediately . I thought long and hard to buy my second M7 instead of MM To answer the question of fringes in the two photos , it is precisely this smoothing is abnormal, because in reality we do not see the edges of objects like this. I have now my home laboratory operational post 29 in this thread http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/345543-my-new-companion-2.html Thanks for your reply Mark . Best Henry I have in order the new M-A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 12, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 12, 2014 Hi Henry, I fully understand why you didn't buy the Monochrom, but I would completely disagree here if what you are referring to is that incredibly sharp/smooth separation between the sky and arch in the photograph you referenced earlier. Again, if you are referring to that area along the arch where the sky is paler immediately before toughing the arch I believe that is post-processing artefact, not intrinsic to Monochrom files, and certainly not present in any of my Monochrom photographs. If you mean the incredibly sharp (smooth?) separation of the sky and edge of the arch then I disagree with the premise of your point (not the one about the beauty of film grain). I was sitting by the pool just this afternoon (enjoying yet another perfect glorious sunny Sydney day ) and was fascinated by the incredibly sharp line defining the dark brickwork parapet of my house against the intense blue sky. This is separation is something that is perfectly captured by my Monochrom and M240. My eye doesn't see grain (or noise) in the real world, but due to cultural or whatever reasons my brain wants to see it in an artistic photograph. Oh, I too have the 90 Macro-Elmar. What a wonderful little lens. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted October 12, 2014 Hi Henry, My eye doesn't see grain (or noise) in the real world, but due to cultural or whatever reasons my brain wants to see it in an artistic photograph. Oh, I too have the 90 Macro-Elmar. What a wonderful little lens. Regards, Mark Mark , vision is a very complex mechanism ... and it is possible that eventually, everyone has a different view of the other Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted October 13, 2014 Share #19 Posted October 13, 2014 H Dee, do you ever use aperture priority auto on your other cameras? This is what decided me on the M7, like my old Nikon days (FM, FM2, F3/T). I have my old Nikon Coolscan 5000 up and running again but also have an Epsom flat bed. You should view the Scanning software as your raw converter for negatives. Just need nice clean negatives (blower and isopropyl alcohol for the spotted & dirty ones. I'm still on the scanning learning curve. Mark, to be perfectly honest I have never used aperture priority on any camera, probably a habit formed early on before such options existed. I can see I'm going to have to research scanners! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share #20 Posted October 13, 2014 Mark, to be perfectly honest I have never used aperture priority on any camera, probably a habit formed early on before such options existed. I can see I'm going to have to research scanners! Thanks. ... or an enlarger ** Dee better than inkjet printer You said "soul" * ? Regards Henry * "soul," a term of my Leica consultant center , now retired ** http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/345543-my-new-companion-2.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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