colonel Posted September 1, 2014 Share #41 Posted September 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Talking about personal opinions just remembered years ago I wrote these blogs. Amateurish ... but my thoughts on Leica after DSLR: Photography Musings: Musing on M9 newbies, potentials and pondering M8 upgraders Photography Musings: A Newbie and the Leica M9 Rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tom0511 Posted September 1, 2014 Share #42 Posted September 1, 2014 I think you can take great images with both systems. ( I also use both an M and a 5diii) It really depends what you do enjoy - and only you know. You do sound like you are fascinated by the Leica M approach. Personally I use the M much more often than the Canon. I also experienced that I really don't need so many focal lengths for my purposes. With the Leica I use 35 and 50mm 90%. Maybe you have a chance to keep the Canon for some overlap time to make sure you get along fine with RF before you sell the DSLR-Kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted September 1, 2014 Share #43 Posted September 1, 2014 While there's a lot to be said for finding a system you love and feel comfortable with in the long term, whatever brand or form you may choose, I find the notion that the "joy" of photography might be system dependent to be downright bizarre. To the O.P. if you feel the M system might be for you then give it a try. Leica is practically unique among brands in that you won't lose out too much financially should you change your mind down the line, particularly in regard to Leica lenses. Good luck with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted September 1, 2014 Share #44 Posted September 1, 2014 Speaking of analogue controls, ISO dial anyone!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 1, 2014 Share #45 Posted September 1, 2014 Any other places other then Fred Miranda that are safe for Leica Lenses? I've always had the best experience buying used from KEH. (Use their old website, classic.KEH.com their new website is horrible). Their grading is quite conservative and their warranty and return policies are excellent. Their prices aren't dirt cheap but lower than many of the online Leica dealers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share #46 Posted September 1, 2014 Thinking of getting the 35 Lux FLE. I think this would be a better one kit lens then the 50 Lux. What do you guys think? I haven't really asked this question before and I am sure it is based on personal taste but I have read that they both render bokeh differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted September 1, 2014 Share #47 Posted September 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Look at you current Lightroom catalog (or whatever tool you use) and see what focal length you use most frequently with the Canon. And then start thinking about what lens to choose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share #48 Posted September 1, 2014 Look at you current Lightroom catalog (or whatever tool you use) and see what focal length you use most frequently with the Canon. And then start thinking about what lens to choose. I actually did just that and took count over the past few months. Just as many shots at 50 then at 35. More with the 35 on vacation because of landscapes more with 50 at home because of portraits and closer tight shots. I thought it was going to be a larger difference then 48 and 52% HA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 1, 2014 Share #49 Posted September 1, 2014 While there's a lot to be said for finding a system you love and feel comfortable with in the long term, whatever brand or form you may choose, I find the notion that the "joy" of photography might be system dependent to be downright bizarre. Whats bizarre? I believe one could take the same image with several different cameras. I think the subjects the OP describes can be taken with either a DSLR or a rangefinder (or a so called mirrorless camera) and one might not even see a difference in the final result. So it depends what works best for the photographer, and that includes IMO what he enjoys using. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share #50 Posted September 1, 2014 Whats bizarre? I believe one could take the same image with several different cameras.I think the subjects the OP describes can be taken with either a DSLR or a rangefinder (or a so called mirrorless camera) and one might not even see a difference in the final result. So it depends what works best for the photographer, and that includes IMO what he enjoys using. I agree. I am not buying this to take better photos (of course one hopes that with practice better gear can allow for sharper photos but cannot change the difference of capturing the moment and not). I also want to be able to carry the camera anywhere and have it become an extension of myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted September 2, 2014 Share #51 Posted September 2, 2014 Whats bizarre? I believe one could take the same image with several different cameras.I think the subjects the OP describes can be taken with either a DSLR or a rangefinder (or a so called mirrorless camera) and one might not even see a difference in the final result. So it depends what works best for the photographer, and that includes IMO what he enjoys using. That's precisely my point. The notion expressed earlier in the thread that the M system, (or any other system for that matter), can give one "joy in photography that other systems can't provide" is what's bizarre. My point being that finding joy in photography is NOT system dependent. I agree that what works best for the photographer includes what he enjoys using, but that's too subjective to make sweeping generalisations in favour of one particular system over another. I don't see any contradiction in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 2, 2014 Share #52 Posted September 2, 2014 That's precisely my point. The notion expressed earlier in the thread that the M system, (or any other system for that matter), can give one "joy in photography that other systems can't provide" is what's bizarre. My point being that finding joy in photography is NOT system dependent. I agree that what works best for the photographer includes what he enjoys using, but that's too subjective to make sweeping generalisations in favour of one particular system over another. I don't see any contradiction in that. Forgive me Steve but I must disagree with you statement (I highlighted it) above. I use myself as a specific example. Most of my working life I worked with Hasselblads. Later I primarily used Leicas. Still use both. Prior to both I was using other brands including Nikon, Rollei, Mamiya and others. They all produced pictures which sold for money. Of all those only the Rollei gave me joy. It has something to do with ergonomics, feel, sound, but goes beyond that. Don't ask for a technical description of joy. It would be like trying to define beauty. It can't be done, only understood and maybe agreed upon, but not necessarily. OTOH, My Hasselblads and Leicas all give me joy, just as does my 27 year old Saab Aero. Can I explain it? No. Do I feel I need to? No! The joy is that I believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 2, 2014 Share #53 Posted September 2, 2014 That's precisely my point. The notion expressed earlier in the thread that the M system, (or any other system for that matter), can give one "joy in photography that other systems can't provide" is what's bizarre. My point being that finding joy in photography is NOT system dependent. I agree that what works best for the photographer includes what he enjoys using, but that's too subjective to make sweeping generalisations in favour of one particular system over another. I don't see any contradiction in that. Why shouldn't one make sweeping statements about joy? That would rule out most of poetry and novels. I think I can safely say that one man or woman offers little functional differences over another, yet we wax lyrical about love.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted September 2, 2014 Share #54 Posted September 2, 2014 For most people, buying in to the M system isn't about specifications.It's because the M system gives you the back the joy of photography that other systems can't provide... This is the statement I am referring to. My objection lies in the implication that it is this system, to the exclusion of any other, that can provide one with "joy". This varies from individual to individual, as evidenced by Erl, who found joy shooting Rollei, (and Leica, and Hasselblad ) Erl, I am in broad agreement with your post and I don't feel contradicted by it. I just don't think that "for most people" the M system has the power to exclusively "give back the joy of photography THAT OTHER SYSTEMS CAN'T PROVIDE". For individual photographers I am sure this may be true...but for most people? Jaapv, sweeping statements about joy are fine and dandy, it's just the system dependent ones that bug me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 2, 2014 Share #55 Posted September 2, 2014 Thinking of getting the 35 Lux FLE. I think this would be a better one kit lens then the 50 Lux. What do you guys think? I haven't really asked this question before and I am sure it is based on personal taste but I have read that they both render bokeh differently. Up to you but my experience is that I used to use a 35mm for a few months then sell it and buy a 50mm for a few months then sell it and buy a 35mm ..... Now I realise I like both and I switch between them. Generally I use 50mm very often at 1.4 so have a Summilux ASPH, but am less concerned about 35mm thin DOF so I am happy with a summarit (a terrific and underrated lens BTW). If I have some money next year I might buy a Lux as I used one and it's seductive. I have met some folk that use a 28mm as a walk around and one chap who used a 75mm but this is quite rare. For me a 21mm f3.4 and 90mm f2.5 are the ideal occasional short and long, both bitingly sharp with lovely draw. Of course if I was rich I would have all 1.4 and the 90 APO but to be honest for my shooting style they are not necessary. However, if I win the lottery ........ I recommend you peruse the lens forum as there are many threads on all lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted September 2, 2014 Share #56 Posted September 2, 2014 Oh dear, looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. Don't assume everything I write is peer reviewed. Occasionally I even post while under the influence lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted September 2, 2014 Share #57 Posted September 2, 2014 Oh dear, looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. Don't assume everything I write is peer reviewed. Occasionally I even post while under the influence lol. If I'd known I was getting into a fight with a drinking man I'd have kept my mouth shut! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted September 2, 2014 Share #58 Posted September 2, 2014 Lol it's not a fight, and I said *occasionally* :-) If I'd known I was getting into a fight with a drinking man I'd have kept my mouth shut! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted September 2, 2014 Share #59 Posted September 2, 2014 Can't drink if your mouth is shut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share #60 Posted September 2, 2014 My thread was hijacked by drunks!!! HA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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