mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #21 Posted July 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would you mind showing us a screenshot of your profile selector in LR? As my (current copy) of LR doesn't have a profile for the X Vario... only "Embedded" and "Adobe Standard". Well, there it is: ‘Adobe Standard’ is the profile supplied for the X Vario. If you are looking for the actual DCP file, the path is Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles/Adobe Standard/LEICA X VARIO (Typ 107) Adobe Standard.dcp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dunos Posted July 28, 2014 Share #22 Posted July 28, 2014 My understanding is that Adobe Standard is their "we can't be bothered to make haven't made a specific profile for this camera so here are some defaults we cobbled together - good luck!". Whereas cameras that are "supported" tend to have several profiles in the drop-down list such as my old Canon 400D which listed: Adobe Standard Camera Faithful Camera Landscape Camera Neutral Camera Portrait Camera Standard These different profiles would try to mimic the OOC processing (as best as Adobe could make it). The X Vario isn't supported by DNG Converter whereas things like the M9 are so I presume that Adobe Standard for the M9 has had more thought put into it than Adobe Standard for the X Vario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #23 Posted July 28, 2014 My understanding is that Adobe Standard is their "we can't be bothered to make haven't made a specific profile for this camera so here are some defaults we cobbled together - good luck!". That is a common misconception. "Adobe Standard" is actually the standard profile for that specific camera model and it is designed to deliver (what Adobe thinks are) optimum results. Whereas cameras that are "supported" tend to have several profiles in the drop-down list Adobe has started to supply additional profiles for some cameras, mostly Canon, Nikon, and Olympus models, but they have only recently extended this to cover some Fuji cameras. While the standard profile reflects how Adobe thinks an optimum picture should look like, these additional profiles are designed to match the in-camera settings of the various vendors. These don’t necessarily deliver better results than the standard profile, but if you think that the specific colour rendering of, say, your Canon’s ‘Landscape’ setting is unmatched, you can select the ‘Camera Landscape’ profile designed to deliver similar results and still enjoy the benefits of raw processing. The X Vario isn't supported by DNG Converter It isn’t? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunos Posted July 28, 2014 Share #24 Posted July 28, 2014 It isn’t? I am making the assumption that if it was supported then it would be listed here along side the X1, X2, etc: Photoshop Help | Camera Raw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2014 Share #25 Posted July 28, 2014 I am making the assumption that if it was supported then it would be listed here along side the X1, X2, etc: Adobe’s list contains a couple of errors. It also lists an ‘S3’ that doesn’t exist (it probably refers to the S (Typ 006)). In any case the X Vario is supported (and the DCP file to be found at the position indicated proves it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firoze Posted July 29, 2014 Share #26 Posted July 29, 2014 Would one of you please enlighten me? From the discussion above, I understand that "Adobe Standard" is the specific profile for the XV by Adobe. My question is, what is "Embeded Profile"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunos Posted July 29, 2014 Share #27 Posted July 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would one of you please enlighten me? From the discussion above, I understand that "Adobe Standard" is the specific profile for the XV by Adobe. My question is, what is "Embeded Profile"? My understanding is that Embeded is a profile that is embedded in the raw file itself. As in one that the camera puts in the file. From my research there was a website that said that embedded profiles were often inferior as they used an older style of profile that didn't include all the data that an external profile would. Either way I have found the Adobe Standard to be "better" than the Embedded for the X Vario, but still not as good as I would like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrPix Posted July 29, 2014 Share #28 Posted July 29, 2014 My 5 öre! I am still using LR 3.6 which gives fantastic results with XVario. I choose "embeded" profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firoze Posted July 29, 2014 Share #29 Posted July 29, 2014 Thank you @dunos and @DrPix. I am new to LR. Once the photos have already been imported, is it possible to change the import profile from Adobe Standard to Embeded, or vice versa? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunos Posted July 29, 2014 Share #30 Posted July 29, 2014 Thank you @dunos and @DrPix. I am new to LR. Once the photos have already been imported, is it possible to change the import profile from Adobe Standard to Embeded, or vice versa? Yes. If you go to the Develop module, and on the right hand side scroll to the bottom of the tool panel. The last panel should allow you to switch camera profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firoze Posted July 29, 2014 Share #31 Posted July 29, 2014 Yes. If you go to the Develop module, and on the right hand side scroll to the bottom of the tool panel. The last panel should allow you to switch camera profile. Thanks! I found it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi996sps Posted July 29, 2014 Share #32 Posted July 29, 2014 I purchased mine back in February thinking it'll be as good as X1 but with a zoom lens. Leica Store in London very kindly replaced my first XV acknowledging problems but I am no better off with the second XV:X Vario is my 7th Leica over the years so I mean what I say about worse Leica ever. In short the firmware for this camera needs to be scrapped and rewritten again but Leica is in denial or is not the Leica as we knew it. - You'll find that most of the images taken by this camera are very grainy and unusable. Try zooming in your computer screen and you'll be horrified to see poor quality of the image that is over 7 mega bytes in size. This might be one of the factors giving the appearance of being out of focus which is a common complaint with this camera. - Whether you use fully automatic mode (shutter and aperture), auto aperture or automatic ISO setting you will find that regardless of time of the day and intensity of sun the camera sets the shutter speed to 1/30 or lower and compensate with higher ISO, higher shutter speed or both. Taking a photo without the tripod at shutter speed of 1/30 or less is stupid and image stabilisation is probably creates high grains trying to mask the out of focus lines. - I like to take pictures of the flowers but I learned that taking pictures of anything (pure) red is not possible with this camera. - What you see on camera's screen is not what recorded and I wonder whether the firmware sends the wrong image to wrong location (good quality to screen, low res to memory stick!). I stopped using the electronic viewfinder with this fear in mind I am very disappointed with Leica and can say never again for another Leica but more than Leica I am furious with people in DPREVIEW and other forums that they got the camera for a day or so and wrote misleading reviews by superficially evaluating and rushing to wrong conclusions. Conclusion: You can occasionally take good pictures with this camera but best course of action if you have one is: - Set the aperture manually - NEVER use auto ISO - Use exposure bracketing setting it between +/- 2. it's a nuisance because you take several pictures of one scene then you have to sieve through selecting one and deleting others. To set the "Exposure bracketing" press EV button twice and use thumb wheel to adjust the range. PS if you use DNG file format be prepare to forget the camera for a minute or two while it's saving! I hope the above is useful As a matter of interest, have you kept the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 29, 2014 Share #33 Posted July 29, 2014 Would one of you please enlighten me? From the discussion above, I understand that "Adobe Standard" is the specific profile for the XV by Adobe. My question is, what is "Embeded Profile"? The embedded profile is a DNG camera profile that is part of the DNG file itself – usually it is the profile created by the camera, but you could copy any profile to the DNG file to replace it. The embedded profile created by the camera is just a bare-bones version compared to a full-fledged profile as supplied by Adobe (or one you have created yourself). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firoze Posted July 29, 2014 Share #34 Posted July 29, 2014 The embedded profile is a DNG camera profile that is part of the DNG file itself – usually it is the profile created by the camera, but you could copy any profile to the DNG file to replace it. The embedded profile created by the camera is just a bare-bones version compared to a full-fledged profile as supplied by Adobe (or one you have created yourself). Understood. Thanks for the explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 29, 2014 Share #35 Posted July 29, 2014 By the way, Sandy McGuffog (sandymc) has written a command line utility for – among other things – extracting profiles from DNG files and for converting profile files to XML text files (Introduction). It is a useful tool for anyone wanting to compare the various profiles and see what they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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