swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #41 Posted July 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can you now change ISO without taking your eyes of EVF to check on LCD? Meaning, is the changing ISO setting now also showing in EVF? EVF no, OVF yes. So no change... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #42 Posted July 1, 2014 EVF, Yes the ISO setting is displayed on the top bar and changes if you change it or in auto-ISO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 1, 2014 Share #43 Posted July 1, 2014 Maybe, but it turns my MF handgrip into a regular handgrip, and it's not disabled in the typ T. Plus it's really an easy fix, just delete some code. The only ‘fix’ would be the countries in question lifting the limitations on GPS use. Until then, don’t expect camera vendors to change anything in their firmware. (I suppose it would be a bug if GPS wasn’t disabled in the T or its EVF; after all Leica acknowledges the issue in the manual: “Important (legal restrictions on use): In certain countries or regions, the use of GPS and associated technologies may be restricted.”) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #44 Posted July 1, 2014 The only ‘fix’ would be the countries in question lifting the limitations on GPS use. Until then, don’t expect camera vendors to change anything in their firmware. (I suppose it would be a bug if GPS wasn’t disabled in the T or its EVF; after all Leica acknowledges the issue in the manual: “Important (legal restrictions on use): In certain countries or regions, the use of GPS and associated technologies may be restricted.”) Well I can't speak for North Korea, or Cuba, but I live in China, and find your statement either out of date, or just plain ignorant. GPS is everywhere, everybody uses it. There is no legal restrictions in using it (with one exception). I teach lawyers, and I have had them researched this, and the only issue that ever occurred, was when a Coca-Cola field rep used GPS in photographing possible truck routes, and by mistake photographed a military base. China (like most countries) are concerned about people taking photo's of Military installations. The laws regulating the use of GPS in China is much like in the US or rest of the world. Civilian use, in Civilian areas are unrestricted, and restricted in Military areas. Yes China has asked Google Maps to put an offset for locations in china, for the same reason as said above. But in every delivery truck, taxi, woman's purse, there is a GPS device, and is used constantly. Yes, China is developing it's own GPS system, because it does not want to be dependent on "western technology", not to block GPS use. If you say its a bug to have GPS available to photographers, then many other companies have the same bug. You had better correct, Apple, Samsung, Toshiba, Canon, Olympus, Garmin, etc., etc., etc. As they all have GPS devices that work unrestricted in China. I can understand North Korea, and Cuba, as there governments are a little odd, to be polite, but to lump them in the same category as the largest economy in the world, is a little strange to me. Or are we still in the same cold war mentality from the 80's? Also as an American, it also bugs me that Leica would force it's customers not to use GPS wherever the customer wishes. Thats very "big brother" thinking, perhaps on the same scale as North Korea, or Cuba, and to blame various countries is cowardly. This is Leica's code and Leica's choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #45 Posted July 1, 2014 Have you taken this up with Leica Wetzlar? If so, what was their answer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #46 Posted July 1, 2014 Have you taken this up with Leica Wetzlar? If so, what was their answer? Yes, they said they would send it to product development, and since then I have heard nothing. That was several months ago. I did not want to vent publicly, as I was hoping for some response, but after the firmware release and no comment... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #47 Posted July 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe send a kick-in-the-butt mail? FYI, Leica is not the only one.http://ogleearth.com/2012/05/why-do-panasonic-leica-fujifilm-samsung-and-nikon-censor-their-gps-cameras/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #48 Posted July 1, 2014 Maybe send a kick-in-the-butt mail? To whom, the same pleb I sent before... I don't like having to repeat myself to level one support each time I make contact. Since the person did not give me any information on whom else to contact, I have to present here... I didn't say Leica was alone, Panasonic and other do as well, but in China's case I don't think it is justified any longer. I defiantly like the way Leica did with the Typ T, and wish they would implement it with the M... I know that Mr. Hußmann is just giving Leica's propaganda, like a good Leica citizen, so I kind of feel bad about unloading on him, but he did take the bait... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 1, 2014 Share #49 Posted July 1, 2014 If you say its a bug to have GPS available to photographers, then many other companies have the same bug. You had better correct, Apple, Samsung, Toshiba, Canon, Olympus, Garmin, etc., etc., etc. As they all have GPS devices that work unrestricted in China. Indeed many GPS devices are not similarly restricted, but cameras generally are, regardless of the vendor. And by the way, the fact that the PRC may be ‘the largest economy in the world’ is neither here nor there; what bearing should this have on anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #50 Posted July 1, 2014 Indeed many GPS devices are not similarly restricted, but cameras generally are, regardless of the vendor. And by the way, the fact that the PRC may be ‘the largest economy in the world’ is neither here nor there; what bearing should this have on anything? I would believe that if Leica it self had not changed it's policy from the M to the T. It does not matter if it was a passive or active decision, the policy has changed, and as an another example, all Sony camera's with GPS work here in china. You would have a better argument if the industry was more unified, but each company has chosen it's own path, and the phrase "regardless of vendor" has no meaning, especially here in China. And I don't agree, the economy size has everything to do with policy, look at the American's if you don't believe me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted July 1, 2014 Share #51 Posted July 1, 2014 I would believe that if Leica it self had not changed it's policy from the M to the T. It does not matter if it was a passive or active decision, the policy has changed, and as an another example, all Sony camera's with GPS work here in china. You would have a better argument if the industry was more unified, but each company has chosen it's own path, and the phrase "regardless of vendor" has no meaning, especially here in China. And I don't agree, the economy size has everything to do with policy, look at the American's if you don't believe me. The change in policy could be related to the recent dialog between the US and Chinese Governments on the use of GPS/BDS; GPS.gov: May 2014 U.S.-China Joint Statement on Civil GPS and BDS Cooperation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #52 Posted July 1, 2014 The change in policy could be related to the recent dialog between the US and Chinese Governments on the use of GPS/BDS; GPS.gov: May 2014 U.S.-China Joint Statement on Civil GPS and BDS Cooperation I think the change in policy came long before that, but was formally agreed to publicly then. Here change in policy comes first, often just to test the waters, then any public announcement is just for public consumption. One thing that puzzles westerners, is that unlike in the west, where law is above policy. Here in China, Policy is above law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmyking Posted July 1, 2014 Share #53 Posted July 1, 2014 Try a vacuum cleaner over the evf port. You may have some crud in there. The hotshoe contacts do nothing, of course. Whatever you do don't stick anything metal in the port, especially with the battery in camera. That could cook the whole thing. Gordon I tried alternating vacuuming and then compressed air. With a little wiggling of the EVF I get a picture, but it is never steady it is always flickering a bit. Different camera settings doesn't seem to make any difference including turning the LV off. I suspect the camera needs some repair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 1, 2014 Share #54 Posted July 1, 2014 I suspect the camera needs some repair. Or the EVF if live view works fine on the rear screen. If you can try out another EVF (know someone with the Olympus version?) that could rule out where the fault is. FWIW I have 2 of the Oly finders and both work the same as always after the FW update, so doubtful if that has anything to do with it. Of course you could try downloading another copy of the FW file and re-install it, if you haven't done so already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 1, 2014 Share #55 Posted July 1, 2014 Here in China, Policy is above law. Well, that’s the problem, isn’t it? And you expect Leica to take any chances? It would all be so much simpler if the PRC was what we call a ‘Rechtsstaat’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #56 Posted July 1, 2014 Well, that’s the problem, isn’t it? And you expect Leica to take any chances? It would all be so much simpler if the PRC was what we call a ‘Rechtsstaat’. The PRC is a very lucrative market, if you know what you're doing. If you wish to succeed in any business you must take chances. Life is never simple. Thats just the way it is. Yes, I expect Leica to take chances, because I expect Leica to succeed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chmilar Posted July 1, 2014 Share #57 Posted July 1, 2014 Right now, if I travel to a different time zone (or switch between DST and non-DST) I use the time zone setting (or the DST setting) in the menu to adjust the time. If I then select one of my profiles the camera sets the time back to match the time zone (DST) setting that was active when I created the profile. I.e. it treats the time zone and DST setting as part of the profile. I fail to see how that is not a bug. I tested this, and I agree with roey. Selecting a user profile should not alter the time zone and DST settings. Those settings should be completely independent of user profiles. It is a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justj Posted July 1, 2014 Share #58 Posted July 1, 2014 I would believe that if Leica it self had not changed it's policy from the M to the T. It does not matter if it was a passive or active decision, the policy has changed, and as an another example, all Sony camera's with GPS work here in china. You would have a better argument if the industry was more unified, but each company has chosen it's own path, and the phrase "regardless of vendor" has no meaning, especially here in China. And I don't agree, the economy size has everything to do with policy, look at the American's if you don't believe me. Have a look at following links and you will knows who should be blamed. Why your camera's GPS won't work in China (maybe) - Boing Boing If You're a Foreigner Using GPS in China, You Could Be a Spy | Motherboard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2014 Share #59 Posted July 1, 2014 The PRC is a very lucrative market, if you know what you're doing. If you wish to succeed in any business you must take chances. Life is never simple. Thats just the way it is. Yes, I expect Leica to take chances, because I expect Leica to succeed! I rather doubt that the success of Leica is dependent on a GPS function. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 1, 2014 Share #60 Posted July 1, 2014 I rather doubt that the success of Leica is dependent on a GPS function. You don't insult future customers, if you want them to be customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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