bsmith Posted May 1, 2007 Share #21 Posted May 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ahem, don´t know what you put into it to get crap out..... Since the entire Apple OS is colour managed, and Keynote is no exception, if you import good images with the resolution and tone scale needed, that´s what you´ll see on your monitor. If you import thumbnails and pull them up to full screen, they´ll look like crap. On my calibrated monitor, and using good Digilux 2 or Nikon D200 shots, they look the same in Lightroom and in Keynote, just as they should. Now, if you use the average projector found in a meeting room, it will probably look like something on a cellphone screen, but that would be the same with any software... Not true, Keynote and PP cannot output in Hif Def period. If you can't see the difference, fine. but your audience can. Keynote and PP are for business meetings and doctors, not photographers. One day you'll see the difference when you compare Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bsmith Posted May 1, 2007 Share #22 Posted May 1, 2007 What i need is a software program that has lots of actions in it. i work two huge modeling and talent conventions each year and shoot images and project them in front of thousands of people but keynote and powerpoint just don't get the job done they way i like although i have to use them for certain parts of the show . The area for me showing 1000's of images of the weeks shoot to keep folks excoited for 45 minutes before the show actually starts , keynote is just to boring. i need action here , any help would be great. i also need it to be simple because of design time to implement is not there. I get about 2 hours to process the raws and load it up to run . We use barco's and 12x18 foot screens or close to those dimensions. This is a big show with 4k viewing. Fotomagico looks interesting but does it have lots of actions , like dissolve, spin , wipe and many more Guy, FotoMagico, there is no second choice. You can produce a show in minutes that will dazzle your audience. Yes it has every corny action you would want, but the best to use are fade and dissolve. The key is HD DVI out and in output. The motion effects in FotoMagico are 60 fps butter smooth , no stuttering. I spent a year researching and trying everything. Even HD FCP lokks poor side by side screen test. (remember it's interlaced video) Output cyrstal clear, Keynote is like looking at a 1970 tv screen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share #23 Posted May 1, 2007 I tried Final Cut Pro HD , The problem is , with a HD timeline you cannot "run" your show out of your laptop at "best" quality mode. If you want to drag your Quad G5 around it's ok. Or you can render and output your show to a $50,000 Hi Def tape recorder and bring that to your audience. FotoMagico is the only Mac program that will run a Hi Def quality show with pan and zoom and smooth transitions AND run without "stuttering" and a laptop. I spent a year researching this and tried every program on the market. It lets you quickly project a 50mb image file so you can zoom in and out without ever losing quality. If you output DVI "out" to LCD projector, DVI "in", your images with look like 20 foot versions of your cinema display. If you ever saw a 2/14 glass mount film projector, that's what it looks like. Of course you have to have a HD projector. I use Canon Realis series. If you don't care about quality and just use a 1024 x768 projector and input thru the RCA terminal, your images will look like you shot them with a point and shoot digicam.. William, Slightly diverging from the thread (but it is my thread) I am getting mutterings from SWMBO (she who must be obeyed) that SHE bought the projector for HER business and if I keep wanting to use it all the time, I better buy it off her or buy my own one. It is in any case a Dell and whereas it does do XGA and has a DVI input, if I have to buy my own one (as if I had an option), I might look for something better. I am interested in what you would say about the Canon. I don't need a very bright one as generally I am using it in darkened rooms and not very big ones at that but would like as good quality as I can afford. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 1, 2007 Share #24 Posted May 1, 2007 Thanks William i know corny stuff but it does work for 3 thousands kids standing there waiting for 45 minutes for the agents and casting directors to show up. i would get on stage and do a dance but would fail miserable at it. LOL I will get a copy of this, it does seem like a nice program BTW with all these actions in PP and keynote images do studder to much for this type of stuff and my final show can run as big as a gig, so you really need a good program that can handle this. keynote is nice though and i do use it for other stuff in the shows, first it was made orginally in PP since i did the basic shows on PC several years ago than i transform them into keynote which at least makes the actions a little smooter but for the big stuff keynote does fall short for me. Thanks for the help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted May 1, 2007 Share #25 Posted May 1, 2007 William, Slightly diverging from the thread (but it is my thread) I am getting mutterings from SWMBO (she who must be obeyed) that SHE bought the projector for HER business and if I keep wanting to use it all the time, I better buy it off her or buy my own one. It is in any case a Dell and whereas it does do XGA and has a DVI input, if I have to buy my own one (as if I had an option), I might look for something better. I am interested in what you would say about the Canon. I don't need a very bright one as generally I am using it in darkened rooms and not very big ones at that but would like as good quality as I can afford. Wilson Wilson, I use the Canon SX 50 , it's $5000 , but sells for around $3500. it's 1400x1050 res They make a SX60 and another higher end model (??) The others have brighter lumens and electric zoom lenses. The SX 50 is perfect if you can darken a room. It also has a ecellent Canon wide angle zoom so you can place it close to the screen. The next (different brand) 1400x1050 projector is around $12,000. The Sony is $35,000 and true 1080x1920 projectors start at $50,000. I've played my presentations thru hi end, but XGA, Barcos and the Realis looks considerably better. It's newer technology and the Canon Realis is made for photographers. After years of disappointment in the quality with projecting digital images, now we again have the resolution back compared to Ektagraphics. (plus we have the special effects without bring 6 projectors) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted May 1, 2007 Share #26 Posted May 1, 2007 Not true, Keynote and PP cannot output in Hif Def period. If you can't see the difference, fine. but your audience can.... Well, if I cannot see it sitting right in front of a 1200x1600 studio monitor looking at full frame renderings of original files, there is no audience in the world that could see it through any commercially available projector! Note: I´m talking full frame rendering, not 1:1 zooms, so they´re obviously downsampled to fit the monitor. And they are so to the same degree in either software if you use the correct setting. I don´t quite get your point: you keep talking about business meetings and doctors, and their supposed eyesight, or lack of. Look with your own eyes; you might be in for a surprise... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted May 1, 2007 Share #27 Posted May 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, if I cannot see it sitting right in front of a 1200x1600 studio monitor looking at full frame renderings of original files, there is no audience in the world that could see it through any commercially available projector! Note: I´m talking full frame rendering, not 1:1 zooms, so they´re obviously downsampled to fit the monitor. And they are so to the same degree in either software if you use the correct setting. I don´t quite get your point: you keep talking about business meetings and doctors, and their supposed eyesight, or lack of. Look with your own eyes; you might be in for a surprise... Some people can't see the difference between standard and HD either, or the difference between a Lexmark printer or a Epson 9800. My audiences see it and so do other photographers. I own Keynote and have seen the difference between it and FotoMagico output. With business or medical presentations the visual quality of the image is not so important. I'm assuming most photographers displaying their work to an audience thru an LCD type projector would want the absolute best quality. You don't seem to, so stick with Keynote. Ignorance is bliss they say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simardr Posted May 2, 2007 Share #28 Posted May 2, 2007 I just downloaded a demo version of Fotomagico and I totally agree it must be the most elegant solution for creating a fantastic slideshow. Thanks for the suggestion. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 2, 2007 Share #29 Posted May 2, 2007 I downloaded the demo also . visually it is extremelty nice . i just wish they had a random action setting so i could quickly make a show on the fly. Looks like i have to select each one and make a change or use the shift key and do the same action in a row. I wish i could hold the Apple key and skip around than select the action for those slides that would really help. i'm buying it though, no question there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanenashi Posted May 2, 2007 Share #30 Posted May 2, 2007 Try this one, theres no better for mac imho... Photo to movie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted May 2, 2007 Share #31 Posted May 2, 2007 Some people can't see the difference between standard and HD either, or the difference between a Lexmark printer or a Epson 9800. My audiences see it and so do other photographers. I own Keynote and have seen the difference between it and FotoMagico output.With business or medical presentations the visual quality of the image is not so important. I'm assuming most photographers displaying their work to an audience thru an LCD type projector would want the absolute best quality. You don't seem to, so stick with Keynote. Ignorance is bliss they say. Now, this is escalating from the merely arrogant to the personal, so this will be my last posting in the matter. You know nothing about my qualifications, and I won´t waste time on a CV. Personally, I am always sceptical when people declare that something produces "absolute crap", and that those who don´t agree are "ignorant". A lot of people said so about the Digilux2, about digital prints, and about non-silver photography in general; let them go on preaching to each other. I guess there is still room for more in that congregation. In the meantime, ignorant renegades, myopics, and doctors will go on recognising, and using, the tools we find suited to our purposes. I don´t think we are on the loser side. That´s all, folks. My final posting on this subject (I will stay on in the forum.. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 2, 2007 Share #32 Posted May 2, 2007 I think the point that William is making is that no matter how good an image looks on a monitor it will look very poor when the machine is connected up to a 'normal' TV or projector. If you don't believe me try connecting the video out of your PC/MAC to a TV and you'll see that what looks excellent of a screen looks crap - and this _is_ the correct word - on the TV. This is due to the resolution of the TV being nowhere near that of the PC screen (not to mention that the refresh rate is much, much slower). Using a HD TV output/projector will give you much higher resolution and refresh rate than a 'normal' TV, so the results will look much better. If you are using your desktop/laptop screen to show your presentation then obviously none of the above applies, but if you are using a projector is should be a consideration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted May 2, 2007 Share #33 Posted May 2, 2007 My support to Per I agree that Fotomagico is maybe the best software for slideshows out there and I also understand that you absolutely need a modern HD projector to give decent image quality (on which Per didn't argue anyway...), but I don't get why William was so harsh in his answers to Per. I didn't try Keynote for slideshows but even if William was right in his assumption that it's garbage compared to Fotomagico, I tend to give more credit to Per's reasoning than Williams bold statements... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow Posted May 2, 2007 Share #34 Posted May 2, 2007 This has just been posted in the apple website, could be an option to this photomagico stuff PhotoPresenter - Imaging & 3D don't know anything about quality, ease of use, CPU usage, etc. but just thought you'd like to have another option to look at. Have fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow Posted May 2, 2007 Share #35 Posted May 2, 2007 just a question, What's wrong with iPhoto presentation mode? it's got music, effects... probably should be the easiest to set-up a presentation... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted May 2, 2007 Share #36 Posted May 2, 2007 just a question, What's wrong with iPhoto presentation mode? it's got music, effects... probably should be the easiest to set-up a presentation... It's more , what's better about FotoMagico, the answer... CONTROL. and your export resolution is not limited. Look at a few of the samples on their website. " probably should be the easiest to set-up a presentation." FotoMagico is actually easier and faster to set up a presentation. Try to free demo, you'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share #37 Posted May 2, 2007 just a question, What's wrong with iPhoto presentation mode? it's got music, effects... probably should be the easiest to set-up a presentation... Jack, I want to time my slides to coincide with the right moments in my chosen music or to cut and dice bits of music to fit in with my slides. I want to be able to vary each slide period and its transition. I want to be able to zoom in on some slides but not others. I want to pan some slides but not others and I want to be able to control the pan. I am looking to grip my audience just like a movie does. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dspeltz Posted May 2, 2007 Share #38 Posted May 2, 2007 Hmmm, I just talked to a National Geographic Photographer who has moved from slide to digital (he has many published slide shows internationally). He uses Keynote exclusively. KISS. That is all he does. I was surprised. I will see him in June. I need to understand what he is doing with it, but I really trust his judgement in spite of wanting to try the bells and whistles stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted May 2, 2007 Share #39 Posted May 2, 2007 Jack, I want to time my slides to coincide with the right moments in my chosen music or to cut and dice bits of music to fit in with my slides. I want to be able to vary each slide period and its transition. I want to be able to zoom in on some slides but not others. I want to pan some slides but not others and I want to be able to control the pan. I am looking to grip my audience just like a movie does. Wilson Well said ! Moving type, logos, watermarks, export options, time-expiring DVD portfolios, smooooth transitions of zoom and pans. etc, etc. etc. all with the fastest , most simple interface on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoryox Posted August 13, 2013 Share #40 Posted August 13, 2013 I have been using DVD Photo Slideshow for Mac for days. It works really great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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