AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #221 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve Huff is of different opinion Quote from him. Â "As for getting back to the speed, the T is more responsive and faster to auto focus than the Leica X1, X2 and X-Vario... Â Doesn't the T force auto review on each image? So regardless of AF speed, how could anyone shoot rapidly with it if that is the case? As for comparing AF speed, let's wait for some objective tests. I have a hard time imagining that Sony and others have spent years improving sensor based PDAF systems and only now have found out from Mr. Huff that it is not beneficial at all. Â I see no mention of a first curtain electronic shutter either. Does that not impact shutter release lag time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Hi AlanG, Take a look here Leica T performs digital lens correction , a claim by dpreview.com. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #222 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Well, it does end up in EXIF, it seems. Â And then what? Is software such as DXO going to make use of this somehow? I guess we will have to see how different raw converters will make use of this info. I would assume that even with a specific DXO correction module for each M lens, one would still have to set the aperture and distance manually for each photo to get the best correction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 6, 2014 Share #223  Posted May 6, 2014 It looks like it has a way to read the 6 bit code but I see no mention of that info being collected or used in the adapter's description, "The adapter fully supports functions like exposure metering, aperture priority mode and manual settings." Basically all this says is it mounts the M lenses and has no other connection between the lens and the body. While looking for info about the adapter, I was trapped by the prose on Leica's T site.  You gotta love the sheer enthusiasm that Leica projects for all of the "amazing" things they accomplished here. I love the over the top marketing hype but even the hardest core Leica lovers must have to suspend disbelief and just buy in. They are certainly trying to get people to emotionally bond with this and not question if anything left out will be missed.  "– and how Leica and the Leica T break entirely new ground in the world of photography. "  "Aluminium for the body. Pictures for the heart"  "Absolute perfection is only achieved when nothing more can be omitted." So how come they didn't omit the flash? Wifi control from a cell phone is now essential... especially with no wired or IR remote release available.  "Minimised, yet so perfect. Never before has taking pictures been this easy."  I have no need for electronic adapter as I use 2 lenses on the body, and i would recognize which lens and apply LR corrections on each one. I save money by using 3rd party adapter.  M-lenses are good optically and I dont see the pre-built correction as necessity. But I'd imagine that Leica has or is going build profiles for most new M lenses used on T body.  What I like about the promotion of T site is the words "reduced to the essence".  If Im going use T body for next 10 years meanwhile other worry about sensor spec, AF speed, button layout and spending money on 20-30 bodies within same time period.  Then we go back to the saying "less is more". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #224  Posted May 6, 2014 Leaving aside anything about cost vs value for these lenses, I think when choosing to carry a small system one has to accept all kinds of compromises. Clearly the T gives up numerous features in favor of simplicity of operation, a clean uncluttered design and the necessity of size restrictions for control placement. Additionally a compact zoom lens will have compromises to keep its size and weight down and generally have compromises to keep its cost down. (Although the cost seems pretty high in this case.)  It makes sense to have the lenses corrected by software, whenever possible and of course these days that is part of the overall design decisions. But what I think many are missing is just the idea to accept the distortion in the lens and realize it not only causes few problems in typical work, but may actually improve many photos.  So by my way of thinking, having the ability to turn off the correction is equally important, but that also means you need to be a more advanced user working in raw... with a converter that gives you this choice.  Here is a photo shot with the Nex 6 at 16 showing before and after distortion correction. Also an example of what I feel is a distortion free uncorrected photo made with a 17TSE as an example of when I would use a larger system like that instead of the APS camera and kit lens. Whereas the Nex 6 size camera is probably the largest camera I would bother carrying to the top of a mountain when hiking. A T with EVF and 18-56 would be pushing my size limit and not be as wide. Plus dragging a $4200 camera over rocks is not something I would do.  Embrace the distortion. It makes these kinds of images better. The dark corners are vignetting from a filter's mount. (I never noticed until I stopped correcting the distortion.) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/226415-leica-t-performs-digital-lens-correction-a-claim-by-dpreviewcom/?do=findComment&comment=2584540'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #225 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Fortunately the corrections are not applied to the raw data, but carried in a sidecar file, so if you use another raw converter than ACR they will not be implemented. I think we need to look to Adobe to allow the user to deselect the correction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 6, 2014 Share #226 Â Posted May 6, 2014 How is that possible with 10 elements in 7 groups? Â It's Leica math - the same they use for pricing. Â Seriously, consider lens elements cemented together as one group. See your avatar. Seven elements in four groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #227 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Fortunately the corrections are not applied to the raw data, but carried in a sidecar file, so if you use another raw converter than ACR they will not be implemented. I think we need to look to Adobe to allow the user to deselect the correction. Â Yes. I always tell people that if they want to get technically better photos from whatever camera they own, the most important first step is learning raw processing. I am dismayed talking to numerous casual shooters how many buy a nice camera and don't really bother to learn much about using it. Â The T is not really marketed to advanced users but of course advanced users will get more out of it. That is true for any camera or smartphone though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 6, 2014 Share #228  Posted May 6, 2014 Nokia users got suddenly more knowledgeable and advanced a few month ago ?  Nokia Lumia 1520 first smartphone to offer raw file output - Pocket-lint  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #229 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Embrace the distortion. It makes these kinds of images better. The dark corners are vignetting from a filter's mount. (I never noticed until I stopped correcting the distortion.) Â I agree - although it's a pity to overexpose the sky so badly in what could otherwise be a nice shot (my opinion only of course) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #230  Posted May 6, 2014 Yes. I always tell people that if they want to get technically better photos from whatever camera they own, the most important first step is learning raw processing. I am dismayed talking to numerous casual shooters how many buy a nice camera and don't really bother to learn much about using it. The T is not really marketed to advanced users but of course advanced users will get more out of it. That is true for any camera or smartphone though.  I quite agree . . and one of the fine things Leica does is to provide free copies of Lightroom . . . I don't personally like lightroom, but at least it's a proper way to deal with DNG files . . . sadly Apple still do not support DNG 1.3, so the T DNG files cannot be read in Aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #231  Posted May 6, 2014 I agree - although it's a pity to overexpose the sky so badly in what could otherwise be a nice shot (my opinion only of course)  These are just snapshots to remember and document a hike. This certainly was not a keeper and is just posted to show the distortion. I just process them quickly and share them with my fellow hikers. They are not works of art by any means but I could make them better if I wanted to do more in post.  This is Old Rag Mountain in the Shenandoah Mountains in Virginia. You can see that it is pretty steep with rock scrambles. (On the second screen of images.) I had my camera on a neck strap in front of me the entire time and it was in danger of being scraped and banged. (I secured it to my chest on the tougher sections.  Here is a link so you can see the terrain...  Old Rag Mountain hike 5-12-13 - Images | Alan Goldstein  Occasionally, while on vacation, I shoot images with a p&s or the NEX. (And also videos from a GoPro and other cameras.) Nothing special but here are some of them if you are interested for some reason. (I put a lot more effort into my architectural work and certainly don't want to work while on vacation.) This is a glorified snapshot camera to me but occasionally I put in a little effort and sometimes I capture a nice moment, nice mood, and nice light. It is also a chance to do a little street photography - my early roots. A few of them from Pompeii and Herculaneum I later worked on to enhance them compared to these posted shots. And I made a nice portfolio of prints from them.  http://alangoldstein.photoshelter.com/gallery-collection/Foreign-travel/C0000tbbSYglKbNc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 6, 2014 Share #232 Â Posted May 6, 2014 I agree - although it's a pity to overexpose the sky so badly in what could otherwise be a nice shot (my opinion only of course) Â Â Jono, use flash-fill! I am a big flashbulb fan. I have enough units to fill a sunset! Â Â Â Â Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #233 Â Posted May 6, 2014 sadly Apple still do not support DNG 1.3, so the T DNG files cannot be read in Aperture. Â I always wondered why the concept of DNG somehow being pitched as a universal format still requires OS support and software upgrades for new models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted May 6, 2014 Share #234 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Apple is not known to embrace open standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #235  Posted May 6, 2014 Ok you shamed me into adjusting the photo. I added even a bit more distortion too. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/226415-leica-t-performs-digital-lens-correction-a-claim-by-dpreviewcom/?do=findComment&comment=2584673'>More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #236 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Ok you shamed me into adjusting the photo. I added even a bit more distortion too. Â That's much better sorry for the little dig - it was meant to be tongue in cheek. Truth is that it's glass half empty, glass half full stuff. Â It isn't my job to come here and slag off the Lieca T (if necessary I do that to Leica). But I've had one long enough to know that it's just designed for this sort of moment, and wouldn't have been an impediment on your trip. (and it certainly IS NOT my job to come here and boost Leica - if I don't like things I just shut up) Â I quite agree about using RAW, but as opposed to you I'm not convinced that the Leica T's documented shortcomings in terms of IBIS/SensorCleaning/Old Sensor etc. are much of a bar to producing fine photos. And I do feel that the interface/body/lenses are a positive enhancement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #237 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Truth is that other than my professional gear, I don't care much about cameras any more. I was using a tiny p&s cameras on my ski trips and other vacations and when Sony came out with the compact zoom, I bought a Nex. All of the other mirrorless cameras with bigger kit zooms were too large for me and I still don't bother to carry the Nex as much as I should. But then I also don't feel the need to shoot so much as I have countless photos after almost 50 years at it. Â I find it fun to be using very simple automatic cameras, and not think about the technical aspects too much, and see what I can get out of them. (I have paid my materials and process dues in this business, believe me.) I liked these p&s ones... Â Point and shoot camera photos - Images | Alan Goldstein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #238 Â Posted May 6, 2014 I find it fun to be using very simple automatic cameras, and not think about the technical aspects too much, and see what I can get out of them. (I have paid my materials and process dues in this business, believe me.) I liked these p&s ones... Â Â Ah well, I can't disagree, and I suggest that, for those P&S moments for the experienced photographer, there is nothing better than. . . . . . A Leica T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 6, 2014 Share #239 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Ah well, I can't disagree, and I suggest that, for those P&S moments for the experienced photographer, there is nothing better than. . . . . . A Leica T Â Well if you or Leica wants to send me one, I guarantee you I'll use it. Distortion and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 6, 2014 Share #240 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Well if you or Leica wants to send me one, I guarantee you I'll use it. Distortion and all. Â Sorry Alan - I don't have one spare, but perhaps Leica would come up with the goods? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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