drdannn Posted June 23, 2014 Share #241 Posted June 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) A quick info for all of you waiting desperately: In a few days Leica will finish the new Leica M (Type 240) firmware. Our Leica Forum beta tester will have a short and intense field test - and if no severe bugs show up the firmware will be released. Thus there is nor a fixed release date neither a detailed list of improvements. What I’m allowed to say: The new firmware will bring Auto-ISO! This was posted by the "Admin" as post #66 early in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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digitalfx Posted June 23, 2014 Share #242 Posted June 23, 2014 This was posted by the "Admin" as post #66 early in this thread. whatcha think, they are delaying it on purpose just for the fun of it? Once its ready I'm sure we will all be the first to hear. In the mean time, we all have a great camera capable of producing stunning images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 23, 2014 Share #243 Posted June 23, 2014 Looking forward to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted June 23, 2014 Share #244 Posted June 23, 2014 The "May 24" date was from a rumor site...it wasn't an actual date. If you read back a few pages in this thread to post 174 you'll find info from the admin...the beta is evidently being tested currently, so it sounds like its not far off:http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/329427-new-firmware-may-24th-9.html#post2713979 Thanks for that info., digitalfx. I figured that info. was probably buried somewhere in this thread but I just was not up for sifting through the 238 previous posts last evening (not that anyone else would have been, I suspect). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted June 23, 2014 Share #245 Posted June 23, 2014 One thing I would like to see in the firmware update is the ability to move the focus spot in Live View. Any hints from the beta testers????? Don't worry about the NDA, we won't tell anybody... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted June 23, 2014 Share #246 Posted June 23, 2014 One thing I would like to see in the firmware update is the ability to move the focus spot in Live View. ... In your dreams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 23, 2014 Share #247 Posted June 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) One thing I would like to see in the firmware update is the ability to move the focus spot in Live View. Any hints from the beta testers????? Don't worry about the NDA, we won't tell anybody... No need for an NDA here. It simply won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted June 23, 2014 Share #248 Posted June 23, 2014 whatcha think, they are delaying it on purpose just for the fun of it? Once its ready I'm sure we will all be the first to hear. In the mean time, we all have a great camera capable of producing stunning images. I know we have a great camera. I just think that Leica supports it's "point and shoot" market more and better than it's flagship camera, the M. I get that.... The point and shoot is where Leica can make money, but do they forget that it is the M, and the reputation of it's lenses that makes people want the point and shoots so they too can have the red dot? The legendary M is why people buy a D Lux 6 instead of the exact same camera made by Panasonic for much less money. I realize we will be the first to hear about the new firmware, albeit lowest on Leica's priority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 23, 2014 Share #249 Posted June 23, 2014 You have no idea of Leica's priorities, nor of the amount of work that went into the upcoming firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted June 23, 2014 Share #250 Posted June 23, 2014 You have no idea of Leica's priorities, nor of the amount of work that went into the upcoming firmware. Actually you are correct. It is just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted June 23, 2014 Share #251 Posted June 23, 2014 You have no idea of Leica's priorities, nor of the amount of work that went into the upcoming firmware. There seems to be very little logic to Leica's priorities and the amount of work (or time) it seems to take Leica to release a firmware that does not have serious bugs. Which obviously makes it very hard for anyone to form an idea on the subject. Flagship M with quite basic firmware and having problems from release which were only partially fixed half a year after release still hasn't gotten it's next update. Other flagship Monochrom M (and still the most expensive M) still has bugs that Leica seems to have no intention of fixing. But somehow Leica meanwhile manages to release a complete new system with fancy user interface and all kinds of touch-screen software wizardry. When I look at that I really don't understand Leica's priorities nor the amount of work that it seems to cost Leica to properly fix the firmware of some of their most important camera's. But I'm glad that we can expect the firmware update before most of us go on summer holiday... or can we? We have no idea... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted June 23, 2014 Share #252 Posted June 23, 2014 There seems to be very little logic to Leica's priorities and the amount of work (or time) it seems to take Leica to release a firmware that does not have serious bugs. Which obviously makes it very hard for anyone to form an idea on the subject. Flagship M with quite basic firmware and having problems from release which were only partially fixed half a year after release still hasn't gotten it's next update. Other flagship Monochrom M (and still the most expensive M) still has bugs that Leica seems to have no intention of fixing. But somehow Leica meanwhile manages to release a complete new system with fancy user interface and all kinds of touch-screen software wizardry. When I look at that I really don't understand Leica's priorities nor the amount of work that it seems to cost Leica to properly fix the firmware of some of their most important camera's. But I'm glad that we can expect the firmware update before most of us go on summer holiday... or can we? We have no idea... +1. My sentiments exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 24, 2014 Share #253 Posted June 24, 2014 There seems to be very little logic to Leica's priorities and the amount of work (or time) it seems to take Leica to release a firmware that does not have serious bugs. Which obviously makes it very hard for anyone to form an idea on the subject. Flagship M with quite basic firmware and having problems from release which were only partially fixed half a year after release still hasn't gotten it's next update. Other flagship Monochrom M (and still the most expensive M) still has bugs that Leica seems to have no intention of fixing. But somehow Leica meanwhile manages to release a complete new system with fancy user interface and all kinds of touch-screen software wizardry. When I look at that I really don't understand Leica's priorities nor the amount of work that it seems to cost Leica to properly fix the firmware of some of their most important camera's. But I'm glad that we can expect the firmware update before most of us go on summer holiday... or can we? We have no idea... Pieter, this has all been gone over before, many times. The software for the M8, M9, MM, ME were all written out of house. The new Leica is finally able to write their own software in-house. The T is an example of this, and it seems to be a very solid effort. I read on the T Forum a few niggles, but it sure seems like a solid effort. The M240 is undergoing a rewrite of the FW now, and it will be out shortly. It should be stable, solve the bugs we know of (EVF freeze-ups), add auto ISO, and few other things we can't mention right now. It might even surprise you. So, to understand Leica is to see where they were and where they are now. It certainly isn't perfection and what everyone wants right now from them for their expensive Leica camera system. But, they are moving quickly in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted June 24, 2014 Share #254 Posted June 24, 2014 Actually I thought this whole in or out of house software development story was finally put to rest with the M240, where Leica supposedly could finally take all responsibility itself for firmware updates. 1. Did it really get better with the M240? That would seem logical, but I don't think so. 2. Are you sure the firmware of the Leica T is "inhouse? They always said so about the M240, but I kinda doubt it is the case with the Leica T. 3. Customers paid their money to Leica and expect quick and able after-sale service (which includes firmware updates) from Leica. Whether Leica manages to do this by employing a student (Dieter) who programs firmware in his spare time, or does this by hiring a whole division of Sony's firmware programming, or does this by setting its own team for firmware development, is really not that important. Neither is it important whether Leica actually hires a team of beta-testers or just randomly selects a group from its own customer-base, if Leica can just deliver the goods. Obviously there is a logic to why things go the way they go concerning firmware updates. It might even be that Leica just does not want to (or can not) spend too much money on it. Or it might be that Leica actually paid enormous amounts on money on getting the firmware development right with the M240, but for various reasons this does not work out the way they planned it. It's just that we're unable to see any logic in the actions and words of Leica when it comes to firmware updates. Btw does this out of house firmware development for the M-E and M-M actually mean that Leica is now selling camera's for which they can no longer fix firmware bugs? Anyway, Leica, we love you. We don't really care too much how you do it. If you prefer a highly illogical way to do it, that's fine as well... but get your firmware updating in gear and the bugs fixed. Does proper Auto-iso functionality in manual mode really take years to program? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2014 Share #255 Posted June 24, 2014 Jenoptik still takes care of the earlier firmware. Why not? As for the "I want it all and I want it now" posts. Fortunately I am not bound by an NDA, so I can assure you that the Betatesters were happy with the new firmware, apart from a few minor bugs (and a major one which was solved within days) and clearly told Leica "take your time to do it right". A rather more healthy and mature attitude in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzX Posted June 24, 2014 Share #256 Posted June 24, 2014 Better wait a little bit longer and an (almost) bug free firmware update than an incomplete with unsolved problems. Speed kills - sometimes quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted June 24, 2014 Share #257 Posted June 24, 2014 <snip>Fortunately I am not bound by an NDA, so I can assure you that the Betatesters were happy with the new firmware, apart from a few minor bugs (and a major one which was solved within days) and clearly told Leica "take your time to do it right". <snip>. Maybe you're not, but whoever leaked this information to you was. Tut tut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2014 Share #258 Posted June 24, 2014 Horse's mouth, my friend... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted June 24, 2014 Share #259 Posted June 24, 2014 Better wait a little bit longer and an (almost) bug free firmware update than an incomplete with unsolved problems. Speed kills - sometimes quality. I'm one of Jaapv's 'I want it all and I want it NOW', but you are right. If the firmware still has a few bugs today, but Leica release it today then we (I), will still be looking for the next update to sort it out. However, if the fimeware was released in say two months time and was free of all bugs, then in two months and one day we would have forgotten about the delay and be off shooting with a very reliable and solid camera. I for one would be happy, just let me say I want it all and I want it NOW!!! :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2014 Share #260 Posted June 24, 2014 In the meantime just go out and shoot it For many if not most of us there is not too much wrong as it is....I guarantee that the wait will be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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