jaapv Posted March 12, 2014 Share #41 Posted March 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It would be a sad day, all the same, if the next model would be about megapixels.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Gilgamesh Posted March 12, 2014 Share #42 Posted March 12, 2014 Leica’s Typ numbers don’t usually correspond to the number of megapixels in any way. They do ever since the advent of the M, which is the most recent M series Leica incarnation. With Leica lenses, I take my most important images, not on the D800e but on the M*, even though it has a smaller pixel count. *Unless it's above 640 ISO and / or beyond a 30 second exposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted March 12, 2014 Share #43 Posted March 12, 2014 I'd have preferred larger pixels with (still) less noise. I fully agree. At the photo level (as opposed to the pixel level) it is noise at high ISO that grates on the M9. 18MP with no visible noise at the photo level at high ISO, and genuine 'life-time' serviceability, would be the ideal for me. Alas, we are headed for scenarios of ever higher pixel-counts, for me unnecessary at the photo level, and self-defeating (through camera shake) at the pixel level. And it seems we are also headed for ever faster product-cycles and shorter camera lifespans. These things mean, I think, that every 5-10 years digital Leica users will be presented with the choice to dump Leica. The company's current philosophy bets that we won't, and that we will accept the new regime of periodic upgrades. This seems very different from the older philosophy of the company, which sought to ensure lifetime demand for ever sharper Leica lenses, accessories, etc by building true lifetime cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 12, 2014 Share #44 Posted March 12, 2014 They do ever since the advent of the M, which is the most recent M series Leica incarnation. There is the M-E (Typ 220) with 18 MP, the Leica C (Typ 112) with 12 MP, the Leica X Vario (Typ 107) with 16 MP … the new T is rumoured to be Typ 701 and I rather doubt it will have 70.1 MP. There is just just one instance where the Typ happens to be the MP figure times 10, so any relationship between Typ designation and megapixel count is purely incidental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsprow Posted March 12, 2014 Share #45 Posted March 12, 2014 I am always interested in what a new model offers, but it wouldn't be for megapixels. My large prints with the same lens show no sharpness difference from the M8 to M9 to the M. Many other differences (shutter quietness etc) are quite important, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KanzaKruzer Posted March 12, 2014 Share #46 Posted March 12, 2014 I would not upgrade to a 36MP Leica for $9,000. I own a D800E and Leica M. I shoot the Leica 75% of the time. I prefer the Leica M because of its form factor and high quality output. I use the D800E when I need auto-focus more than 90mm focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 12, 2014 Share #47 Posted March 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) If it involves 36mp being pushed by an underpowered processor as in all the current M line up then count me out. Far better to upgrade the current processing power and keep resolution the same ..... and provide reduced latency with liveview/evf use, faster image review, faster fps, faster start up time, longer max. exposure time etc etc ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 12, 2014 Share #48 Posted March 12, 2014 Having only just bought an M240, and still very much feeling my way around with it, I doubt it. This camera far exceeds both my photographic ability and my photographic budget Growing into it will be a long and enjoyable journey. Lenses? Now that is a horse of a different color. The need for a 35mm that is more versatile than my old begoggled f2.8 Summaron is rapidly becoming apparent. Two very good points. At present, I am working on acquiring an M240; I can't imagine sinking any more than $7000 USD into a camera unless I am able to find a way to get it to pay for itself by 50% or more. There's also the fact that other than increased ISO performance and a self cleaning sensor, I can't see much that could stand upgrading in the M240, based on what I have read about it up to this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted March 12, 2014 Share #49 Posted March 12, 2014 If a new M will first have to generally keep up with the best features in the market, or no more than a year or two behind. Second, there will be more improvements than just MPs, better EVF for example, faster startup times, refined IQ. If an evolutionary improvement with higher MPs at $7,000, there will be a market. For me plan to stay with M for some time as it now meets just about all my gaps of the M9, like higher ISO, better focusing patch, quieter for concerts, use of R lenses for tele and Micro etc. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted March 12, 2014 Share #50 Posted March 12, 2014 That's what I was thinking about the M9 (and I am equally happy with 18MP). But the reality of digital technology seems to be that an M9 or M240 will likely not last for many years without obsolescence or irreparable problems. I was potentially being a little facetious with that statement. I may get another camera but it might not be a Leica. I'm impressed what Sony and Fuji are doing right now. I'm semi tempted to sell the lot of my Leica gear (around £9Ks worth), get a Fuji X-T1 and use the change for, I dunno, an extension on my house ;-) The X-T1 would probably answer all my needs at present. But I'm in love with the M240 so it's a bit more complicated than that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted March 12, 2014 Share #51 Posted March 12, 2014 No and No. 24mp are enough for me and a price hike would be the last nail in the leica coffin. IMO there are other more important operational issues that leica need to sort out. I now use the M and Sony A7 together when working and I have to say that if Sony came out with a 28mm f2 lens to equal the summicron asph I would even consider dropping the leica altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plewislambert Posted March 12, 2014 Share #52 Posted March 12, 2014 "This camera far exceeds both my photographic ability and my photographic budget Growing into it will be a long and enjoyable journey. Lenses? Now that is a horse of a different color. The need for a 35mm that is more versatile than my old begoggled f2.8 Summaron is rapidly becoming apparent. :rolleyes:" If you want an improvement on the 35mm Summaron and can't manage the 35mm f2.5 Summarit you should try the 40mm Summicron f2, which can be modified to bring up the 35mm viewfinder outline. I have used mine from my Leica CL on my M9 and like the results. To be frank, my 28mm Elmarit f2.8 is later and better but 40mm is a very handy focal length and they make a useful pair. Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 12, 2014 Share #53 Posted March 12, 2014 It would be a sad day, all the same, if the next model would be about megapixels.... But as I mentioned, the trend is toward another even bigger red dot. Oh happy day. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted March 12, 2014 Share #54 Posted March 12, 2014 No I wouldn't upgrade from 18 to 24 either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomas Posted March 12, 2014 Share #55 Posted March 12, 2014 No — I won't upgrade from my M 240 for 36 MP and not for 9000$ at all. 24 MP are fairly enough for me. Especially if the chip noise is better than with 36 MP. Maybe I would think about it if I can have: 1. higher dynamic range. 14 or better 15 f-sops would be a strong argument. 2. significant longer battery working time 3. if a 0.68 magnification viewfinder, then with lines for 21 mm and only single lines for the lens chosen. If electrical then the possibility to show a grid. Or on the other side mechanical produced lines like in the analog Ms that won't waste energy. 4. included synchro cable contact an USB-port. 5. movable magnified spot in LV for focussing. 6. exposure times longer then 60 seconds. 7. faster start up time. 8. better support for very wide angle lenses like 12 or 15 mm. ... some small other stuff f-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted March 12, 2014 Share #56 Posted March 12, 2014 No and No. 24mp are enough for me and a price hike would be the last nail in the leica coffin. IMO there are other more important operational issues that leica need to sort out. I now use the M and Sony A7 together when working and I have to say that if Sony came out with a 28mm f2 lens to equal the summicron asph I would even consider dropping the leica altogether. I agree that simply upping the mp to 36 would not do it for me. But I think I would simnply stick with the M(240) rather than dropping it in favor of Sony. I have a Sony A7R, which is an interesting and competent camera, but I am using it for very specific purposes (backup for M240 and for 135mm f/3.4; and the 55mm Zeiss is excellent when you need AF). But I greatly prefer the ergonomics of the M240 and if I am manually focusing Leica lenses, I may as well have a Leica body. It just feels right. I also do not think Leica is simply going to up the MP count and charge $2000 more for the next M iteration. They will (or at least I hope they will) improve the EVF, the screen, the efficiency of the firmware, etc. I would be interested in a camera with a combinbed EVF and OVF, so as to have the choice. We know from Fuji that this is technologically feasible. I would like to see Leica build it their way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 12, 2014 Share #57 Posted March 12, 2014 no I would not. i i want more IQ than the M9 or M Type 240 I think the answer is medium format or Leica S. those do not only allow more resolution but more important have a different smmother look because of the larger sensor. if its just resolution 24 mp is enoughbfornpretty big prints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted March 12, 2014 Share #58 Posted March 12, 2014 Fun thread. Yes I would upgrade. Love the 36mp on my D800 and to be honest, the idea of picking up a "small" 24mp Leica M feels like picking up a 24x36 after shooting 4,5x6 for a while But what about startup time? If it's proportional to pixel count them count me out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 12, 2014 Share #59 Posted March 12, 2014 Hell no. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 13, 2014 Share #60 Posted March 13, 2014 Yes, I would upgrade. I can't get enough of these megapixels and whatnots. Anytime I see something at the store that has faster MHz or more pixels, I have to buy it. I don't know what it means, but the Sony A7r has like 36 of these things and I want to have it. I don't understand why we can't have more of these pixels in the Leica... they have a cell phone out there with 40 of these mega-whatnots in it and I would be willing to pay anything to have more than a cell phone. Seems silly to me that I can't have a Leica that is better than a cellphone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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