platoali Posted April 23, 2007 Share #1 Posted April 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm getting tired of reading how good M8 is. Does anybody have any news or rumours about the new DMR or R10? When will be any of them available? What specefications? My dealer told me, he could find me a brand new DMR, but I'm considering to wait for the new SLR digital solution from Leica. The most important thing is how much I should wait. I may not have the choice to buy a new DMR in the next 6 or 8 month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted April 23, 2007 Share #2 Posted April 23, 2007 It is very unlikely that there will be a replacement available for at least another year - probably longer (perhaps an official announcement at Photokina 2008?). The most recent issue of LFI (the de facto Leica house rag), in discussing the discontinuation of the DMR, claims that the replacement is nothing more than a vague concept at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoali Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted April 23, 2007 I'm very confused now. Should I wait one year for the new body|DMR or put 5000$ in a discontinued product. My sister have a Canon EOS 400D. Maybe I can use it for my digital needs till the new body production. Can anybody tell me how much DMR is better than this camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted April 23, 2007 Share #4 Posted April 23, 2007 I have two DMRs and they are superior cameras... If the R10 won't be available for two years, you should get the DMR now... you can always sell it once the R10 is out. The DMR is superior ot the canon your sister has by a mile! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoali Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted April 23, 2007 I don't like it at all. the viewfinder is small and dark and because it has AF, it does not help photographer to focus. So you should forget manual focusing.Set shutter speed and aperture manually is a nightmare. But the picture result is not bad. and the price is very low too. One thing that prevent me to buy the DMR is its crop factor. I will lose my wide capability very much. Can you tell me about your experience about not using the full frame with wide angle lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted April 23, 2007 Share #6 Posted April 23, 2007 because it has AF, it does not help photographer to focus. That's quite interesting ... of course it's not helping you to focus because you have to focus on your own! LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted April 23, 2007 Share #7 Posted April 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) sdai I think Platoali is referring to the Canon in that part of his comments. Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted April 23, 2007 Share #8 Posted April 23, 2007 Thanks a lot, Bruno ... I should have said that even a car with automatic shift still needs a man behind the wheel to drive it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted April 23, 2007 Share #9 Posted April 23, 2007 any word on the firmware update due out shortly ..... V1.3....also any word on what will be in it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted April 24, 2007 Share #10 Posted April 24, 2007 any word on the firmware update due out shortly ..... V1.3....also any word on what will be in it ? Richard, The threat below said the new firmware for DMR will be launched by end Apr 2007, or early May 07. I believe you read it already. Let's see what happen. http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/21288-dmr-lightroom.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffwros Posted April 25, 2007 Share #11 Posted April 25, 2007 I'm very confused now. Should I wait one year for the new body|DMR or put 5000$ in a discontinued product. My sister have a Canon EOS 400D. Maybe I can use it for my digital needs till the new body production. Can anybody tell me how much DMR is better than this camera? I haven't used the Digital Rebel and it's hard for me to define "better" but I can definitely see the difference between the DMR files and my 5D files. The DMR needs very little work out of camera but I find myself tweaking & tweaking & tweaking my 5D files to get them as close to my liking as possible. The biggest thing that jumps out at me with the 5D files is that they can be plastic-looking compared to the DMR. The Canon images look great until you start to compare the two. YMMV but that's been my experience so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoali Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share #12 Posted April 25, 2007 I haven't used the Digital Rebel and it's hard for me to define "better" but I can definitely see the difference between the DMR files and my 5D files. The DMR needs very little work out of camera but I find myself tweaking & tweaking & tweaking my 5D files to get them as close to my liking as possible. The biggest thing that jumps out at me with the 5D files is that they can be plastic-looking compared to the DMR. The Canon images look great until you start to compare the two. YMMV but that's been my experience so far. Thank you all for you comments. I've searched through all threads, All peaple are happy using DMR (in contrast with M8) As far as I can see EOS 5D cost 3 to 4 times more than 400D. So the DMR should produce much better result than my sister's camera. I've talked to my dealer yesterday. He told me that he can offer me a greate discount too. So I think DMR is a good choice at least for me now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSBB6 Posted April 25, 2007 Share #13 Posted April 25, 2007 I bought my DMR after they announced discontinued, just to make sure I can be one of the 3000 lucky owners to have one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoali Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted April 26, 2007 I wonder why Leica doesn't announce the DMR discontinuation on the website. Do they want to start to build them again in future? I think Leica should learn a good lesson from failure of DMR. Although it has a very good quality, it was too late and too overprized and did not fulfill perfectional taste of its custumers. The price is not a problem for a leica custumer because she has already payed much more for the lenses and the other things, but she would not pay such money for something that other producers have build similare but with much lower prices. I hope that R10 or DMR2 be a perfect product. it should have a full frame sensore that has many more pixels from the other producers like Canon and Nikon (for example 20 or more mega Pixels). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted April 26, 2007 Share #15 Posted April 26, 2007 I wonder why Leica don't announce the DMR discontinuation on the website. Do they want to start to build them again in future? I think Leica should learn a good lesson from failure of DMR. Although it has a very good quality, it was too late and too overprized and did not fulfill perfectional taste of its custumers. The price is not a problem for a leica custumer because she has already payed much more for the lenses and the other things, but she would not pay such money for something that other producers have build similare but with much lower prices. The DMR is only discontinued because the production stock has run out, so many would indeed call it a success. I am not sure what you mean by "did not fulfill perfectional taste of its custumers". My DMR fulfills my expectations for the most part. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnocke Posted April 26, 2007 Share #16 Posted April 26, 2007 I am not sure what you mean by "did not fulfill perfectional taste of its custumers". My DMR fulfills my expectations for the most part. Cheers, I am not sure about this either. To my knowledge the DMR offers a much higher degree of perfection than for instance the M8. The DMR has never suffered from significant IR problems or the like, which is manifesting as, e.g., the "magenta problem". DMR pricing is a different story though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoali Posted April 26, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted April 26, 2007 The DMR is only discontinued because the production stock has run out, so many would indeed call it a success. I am not sure what you mean by "did not fulfill perfectional taste of its custumers". My DMR fulfills my expectations for the most part. Cheers, If it was a success, they would continue to build them untill the next DSLR body comes out, and did not leave custumers like me without any choice for two years. I'm not a pro, so I can wait for sometime, but I don't think the other serious photographers will wait for 2 years. Please don't get me wrong, I'm going to buy a DMR in near future myself , but lets see this from outside leica comunity. Even some mobile phones have 10 MP sensores today. When I discussed my dicision with my family, they did not simply understand why DMR worth paying 6 times more than a common DSLR today. You can argue that these comprisons are not fair and to some extend you are right. But they did tell us something. and the market is confirming my theory. It seems there was too little demand for DMR, so they did not plan to build another series. DMR may fulfill your expectations, but it should compete with cameras like Canon EOS 1D. and if you compare the specefications, 1D wins clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted April 26, 2007 Share #18 Posted April 26, 2007 The megapixel amoung is not the key. How the picture render is, which is why the 1 MP camera NASA used on Mars had very sharp and detailed photos and your 10 MP mobile phone has not. It has to do with the lens on the camera, the microlenses in the camera ... and the technology applied. As for the DMR this piece was developed with Kodak and Imacon/Hasselblad and I think that the Imacon/Hasselblad is the key in the DMR being that good. At least Imacon is known to make the best scanners in the world, which is why Leica choose them (I guess) and why Hasselblad bought them (accidently while they were doing the DMR with Leica). My idea of why it's discontinued is that the Imacon/Hasselblad and Leica coorporation does not work anymore. But that is just the reason I use for myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted April 26, 2007 Share #19 Posted April 26, 2007 If it was a success, they would continue to build them untill the next DSLR body comes out, and did not leave custumers like me without any choice for two years Leica never built any DMR units. Imacon built them for Leica. Imacon will not build any more because it's now a part of Hasselblad and Hasselblad considers Leica a competitor. If you wish to compare cameras on price, the DMR is a bargain compared with its Hasselblad digital competition. ... lets see this from outside leica comunity. Even some mobile phones have 10 MP sensores today Outside the Leica community there is precious little knowledge of what influences picture quality in digital cameras and the number of pixels is the only thing the general population can grasp. The number of pixels plus size of each pixel plus the bit depth of each pixel plus the presence or absence or strength of an anti-aliasing filter plus the quality of the lens plus the processing sotware also influence picture quality. In most comparisons with 35mm-based DSLR cameras I've seen, the DMR's picture quality is most comparable to that of the 16 MP Canon 1Ds Mk.II. Price the Canon and the DMR is still a bargain. BTW my wife would never forgive me if I sold my DMR before Leica had a suitable replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted April 26, 2007 Share #20 Posted April 26, 2007 if you compare the specefications, 1D wins clearly. Hell, Dolly Parton is only 152 cm tall. Who looks at specifications ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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