Paul J Posted February 6, 2014 Share #21 Posted February 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here's what I don't understand. Why are some people on this forum so interested (judging from the length of the threads, maybe even obsessed) with how the M 240 compares to other cameras? If you own one, and it's working for you, who cares? Seriously. Seriously? People compare so they can make choices. There are more choices than a red dot and if I find something better for my needs, for what I do, I'm going to take it. No one ever needs to justify their needs from a camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Hi Paul J, Take a look here Sean Reid has another article.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted February 7, 2014 Share #22 Posted February 7, 2014 Interesting point. When I used to go to a well known Leica repair person to calibrate my lenses with my M9, some of the employees would joke about how the inside of my M9 looked like a piece of electronics from the '80s. That would be awesome if Leica can advance to the point where digital Ms are the thickness of film Ms, although needing a LCD behind the sensor is a big part of the problem. I hope not. Now that I have gotten used to the proportions of the digital Ms, the film cameras feel unpractically thin to me, except the smaller LTM cameras. And do consider that lenses in general have grown bigger and heavier over the decades as well, affecting balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share #23 Posted February 7, 2014 I'm not sure that anyone is obsessed about comparing cameras, but I do think a lot of us find it interesting. Why wouldn't we? I'll be right up front; as long as I can reasonably afford camera gear (and I don't own a lot), I will be interested in what new technology has to offer. Like a lot of folks here I have been interested in science since I was a kid and it led me to university and into my science profession. I love this stuff. I love trying to understand it. Read Sean's article if you want. Don't read it. But, my point of sharing it wasn't to obsess. It was to discuss. My first post about Sean's findings was to point out that the Sony doesn't fair well in Sean's review with this wide angle RF lens. If, you look at the test shots, they are terrible with this lens. That is about it. My comment about A7R owners are beta testers has to do with the fact that A7R users are having to test which lenses work well with their camera's sensor and shutter. Something Sony was not up front about, to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yatlee Posted February 7, 2014 Share #24 Posted February 7, 2014 My comment about A7R owners are beta testers has to do with the fact that A7R users are having to test which lenses work well with their camera's sensor and shutter. Something Sony was not up front about, to say the least. So, Sony should be upfront about how Nikon, Canon, Leica lenses used with third party adaptors perform on the A7r? Did I miss that Leica, Nikon or Canon are upfront (or even possible) about other optics used on their camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 7, 2014 Share #25 Posted February 7, 2014 It was to discuss. You want to WHAT? How dare you! Something Sony was not up front about, to say the least. It was quite the opposite, indeed. The marketing I saw and was lead to believe, I would say was either very misleading or uninformed in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 7, 2014 Share #26 Posted February 7, 2014 Why are some people on this forum so interested (judging from the length of the threads, maybe even obsessed) with how the M 240 compares to other cameras? If you own one, and it's working for you, who cares? Let me suggest just a couple reasons: 1) It is not working as well as expected. 2) Newer cameras eventually work better. But it is understandable that many Leica users are allergic to comparisons, because they unconsciously fear other cameras may pee farther than their expensive Leicas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share #27 Posted February 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let me suggest just a couple reasons: 1) It is not working as well as expected. 2) Newer cameras eventually work better. But it is understandable that many Leica users are allergic to comparisons, because they unconsciously fear other cameras may pee farther than their expensive Leicas. Yep, there all kinds of Leica owners. Though, I wouldn't say that this allergy is specific to Leica owners. I will admit to feeling good when one of my cameras gets a good review and excels. Conversely, I'm not sure I really get allergic and break out in hives when Sony or Nikon come out with more MP or whatnot on their new offering... I expect it. Progress. And, Leica owners always have their classic fall-back position that states, new cameras don't have a RF and you can't see around the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voigt Posted February 7, 2014 Share #28 Posted February 7, 2014 But it is understandable that many Leica users are allergic to comparisons, because they unconsciously fear other cameras may pee farther than their expensive Leicas. Well, that explains a lot about you and you're views, doesn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 8, 2014 Share #29 Posted February 8, 2014 Leica owners always have their classic fall-back position that states, new cameras don't have a RF and you can't see around the subject. Indeed RF is critical if one only has one eye... Too bad it doesn't work with ultra wides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share #30 Posted February 8, 2014 Indeed RF is critical if one only has one eye... That's right. In the LUF of the blind, the one-eyed man is King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 8, 2014 Share #31 Posted February 8, 2014 Indeed RF is critical if one only has one eye... Too bad it doesn't work with ultra wides. Mine works fine with ultra wides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share #32 Posted February 8, 2014 Indeed RF is critical if one only has one eye... Too bad it doesn't work with ultra wides. By the way, I get it. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted February 8, 2014 Share #33 Posted February 8, 2014 Let me suggest just a couple reasons: 1) It is not working as well as expected. 2) Newer cameras eventually work better. But it is understandable that many Leica users are allergic to comparisons, because they unconsciously fear other cameras may pee farther than their expensive Leicas. Actually I find this far less here then for other cameras. I presume you read dpreview ? There is a digital forum where other cameras are discussed, but the discussion is mostly about using Leica lenses There are plenty of sites that do comparisons between cameras. Most people here own more then one camera so are fully cognisant of the trade-offs Nothing works like the M series with build quality and the lenses. For some that works, for others it doesn't. The Sony A7 series is a great camera, I have one. So what ? The point is that most people here are not really interested in this site cluttering with comparative camera reviews Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2014 Share #34 Posted February 8, 2014 Here's what I don't understand. Why are some people on this forum so interested (judging from the length of the threads, maybe even obsessed) with how the M 240 compares to other cameras? If you own one, and it's working for you, who cares? Seriously. Guy owned just one film camera. Sold that when the first digicamera came out. So he traded the film camera in for the digital one, which is still working. His brother buys the latest camera every month, regardless of the costs. The tendency of this and all photo fora is to motivate people into which of these two directions? Easy question. Goes well with all humans: we all want better. If possible - all the time. Sorry, if I did not understand your question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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