jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #61 Posted December 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) You are about the only one who thinks this bug is all happy and good. Please stop apologizing for this bug or we won't get it fixed. Nobody wants an extra setting. This is the beauty of this system... not a lot of extra settings. Less is more. Form follows function. Weniger, aber besser. And, stop saying I want to excludes others. The correct and previous implementation excluded no one. All you have to do is turn off Auto ISO. That solution excludes no one. Your accusation is getting old and irritating. How did you turn off auto-ISO with the camera at your eye? That was the reason I found the M8 solon unusable - for me. The bug as you call it will be fixed for you, as you will have the option to switch to your favored implementation, so what is your complaint? But we are going in circles. Let’s agree to disagree and accept the solution Leica will provide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Auto iso coming.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pieterpronk Posted December 20, 2013 Share #62 Posted December 20, 2013 So right now the "auto" part of auto-iso when used with a manual shutter speed consists of turning the automatic setting of iso off to the last used manual iso setting, without telling you anywhere what that iso setting is? Does anybody really use it in that way? Too me that seems to be so unusable that I can't imagine more than a handful of people actually using it. To be honest I can hardly imagine anybody preferring this in theory, but this seems so unworkable that I just can't imagine anybody actually using the system like this. I really hope Leica does not leave this as an option to clutter the menu. That would be like having a "bug on/off" setting on the M9 where you could choose to have the M9 still hang up in discreet mode after that would have been fixed. ("it's not a bug. Sometimes it's good that the M9 hangs up so that you're forced to slow down. That is the Leica way!") Seriously, Leica is sooooo slow to fix bugs that people start to believe they are features. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #63 Posted December 20, 2013 That bad a memory, Pieter? My wife always tells me I am the only one… Still, I can usually remember my camera settings…. But it would be a good addition to flash the ISO like on startup. Let’s wait for the actual implementation instead of complaining about suppositions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted December 20, 2013 Share #64 Posted December 20, 2013 So you actually use the auto-iso as it is implemented now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #65 Posted December 20, 2013 Yes. And I found the M8 solution useless, so I never used it. I will use the M8 solution now when it comes, though, for long lenses because I want to fix a high shutter speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted December 20, 2013 Share #66 Posted December 20, 2013 Let’s wait for the actual implementation instead of complaining about suppositions. But we are waiting for the discrete mode lock up firmware fix Jaap. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting. And waiting. ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #67 Posted December 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) That is a sad fact of life - for everybody who experiences the problem... I still suspect it is an individual hardware fault in some cameras, not a firmware problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 20, 2013 Share #68 Posted December 20, 2013 @Pieter, that is too funny. We can have two choices in the menu: AUTO ISO: ON or BUG @dweebs... I'd laugh at your post(#60), but I'm afraid it may be true. @Pieter, "Seriously, Leica is sooooo slow to fix bugs that people start to believe they are features." There exists some really funny people here. Thanks for that. I was about to give up on this whole thing @jaapv, I truly can't understand how a guy that understands LAB and how cool the concept of Luminance separated from an A and B channel is, and can point out that RGB changes affect the Luminance noise when it doesn't in LAB can't crack this logic nut. Just remove the camera from your eye and turn off Auto ISO... can't take more than 5 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #69 Posted December 20, 2013 Rick, do you shoot static subjects only? The same argument goes for your bug-on bug-off () menu choice : Set and Forget..... It is slightly weird - I see use for both and am happy that Leica will hopefully implement a choice. I do have a problem when I hear "my way or no way" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted December 20, 2013 Share #70 Posted December 20, 2013 Geoff, The implementation in the M240 is the same as the M9 in the menu system. The blueprint of what the designers wanted is there for anyone to see. But, the implementation is not carried out in the function of the camera. In other words, it doesn't work like it says it should. This can be seen by returning to the Menu when you switch from "A" to any other shutter speed. Doing this you will find that Auto is still displayed and not the current ISO. So, this is either a bug in the display or the camera should have kept changing the ISO automatically to keep up with your shutter speed changes, like the M9 does. This is either a bug in the menu or a bug in the implementation. Apologies all you want... IT IS A BUG! Now, here we are and Leica finds out that guys like you and jaapv say this is the way it is supposed to work. Leica, must figure that it is fine. Why should they change it if you guys want to defend a bug? Stop working against us by defending Leica. Now, if there was any logical reason why it should be the way jaapv and the apologists want it then, fine... put both choices in. But, there exists no logical way that it should work like the way it is. It is broken. It is a bug. Please, stop defending this so we can get it fixed. And, please stop saying that it should be a menu choice. It simply should not, because: If, you don't want Auto ISO, simply return to the menu and turn it off when you decide to set your own shutter speed. Or, don't turn on Auto ISO if you don't want it. How can I make this any clearer. I have talked to Leica and explained this and that I do not want to see a choice in the menu system. I have explained to them that the choice already exists in the menu system already... Don't turn on AUTO ISO in the first place or return to the menu and turn it off. Rick Rick you are misreading what I said. I don't use Auto ISO the way you are describing but in any case "I don't see any downside at all to having this as an option if it can be implemented in firmware. I don't need it but why not." But it I thought it sounds like you are going to get the firmware change you want??? Once again, if it's optional , sure, why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 20, 2013 Share #71 Posted December 20, 2013 Rick, do you shoot static subjects only?The same argument goes for your bug-on bug-off () menu choice : Set and Forget..... It is slightly weird - I see use for both and am happy that Leica will hopefully implement a choice. I do have a problem when I hear "my way or no way" The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or, of the one. - SPOCK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 20, 2013 Share #72 Posted December 20, 2013 Except when both can be catered for...JaapV:p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 20, 2013 Share #73 Posted December 20, 2013 Except when both can be catered for...JaapV:p You realize we are worse than two little kids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 20, 2013 Share #74 Posted December 20, 2013 The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or, of the one. - SPOCK To both of you: Live long and prosper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 21, 2013 Share #75 Posted December 21, 2013 To both of you:Live long and prosper. Thanks, but we're old guys. We live by the adage, live long and piss poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 21, 2013 Share #76 Posted December 21, 2013 You realize we are worse than two little kids. :D Bickering is better than fighting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted December 21, 2013 Share #77 Posted December 21, 2013 Thanks, but we're old guys. We live by the adage, live long and piss poor. That's not one of Spock's tenets. "Live long and prosper" was an actual line of his in the same movie. (Revenge of Khan) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted December 21, 2013 Share #78 Posted December 21, 2013 That's not one of Spock's tenets. "Live long and prosper" was an actual line of his in the same movie. (Revenge of Khan) Not just the movie. It was the standard Vulcan greeting from the original series - second season on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 21, 2013 Share #79 Posted December 21, 2013 It was the standard Vulcan... Leica discontinued the standard Vulcan. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted December 21, 2013 Share #80 Posted December 21, 2013 Leica discontinued the standard Vulcan. Jeff Maybe that's the reason some do not seem to live so long; much less prosper. Sorry, I like mine but could not resist this response. The devil made me do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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