Gabriel66 Posted November 5, 2013 Share #21 Â Posted November 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just to create a bit of confusion in the choice, there are rumors of a new summilux 28/1, 4 which will be released later this year .... Gabriele Caproni photographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Marc G. Posted November 5, 2013 Share #22  Posted November 5, 2013 I will use it with landscape and architecture photography in travel. For example i need a wide-angle lens in my last trip to Barcelona.   I have a 50'lux ASPH. Let's look at current Leica lenses and their production dates:  Leica Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm f/4.0 ASPH - 2006 Leica Super-Elmar-M 18mm f/3.8 ASPH - 2009 Leica Summilux-M 21mm f/1.4 ASPH - 2008 Leica Super-Elmar-M 21mm f/3.4 ASPH - 2011 Leica Summilux-M 24mm f/1.4 ASPH - 2008 Leica Elmar-M 24mm f/3.8 ASPH - 2008  Leica Summicron-M 28mm f/2.0 ASPH - 2000 Leica Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8 ASPH - 2008 Leica Summilux-M 35mm f/1.4 ASPH (Floating Lens Element) - 2010 Leica Summicron-M 35mm f/2.0 ASPH - 1996 Leica Summarit-M 35mm f/2.5 - 2007  Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95 ASPH - 2008 Leica Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH - 2004 Leica APO-Summicron-M 50mm f/2.0 ASPH - 2012 Leica Summicron-M 50mm f/2.0 - 1979 Leica Summarit-M 50mm f/2.5 - 2007  Leica APO-Summicron-M 75mm f/2.0 ASPH - 2005 Leica Summarit-M 75mm f/2.5 - 2007 Leica APO-Summicron-M 90mm f/2.0 ASPH - 1998 Leica Summarit-M 90mm f/2.5 - 2008 Leica APO-Telyt-M 135mm f/3.4 - 1998 Leica Macro-Elmar-M 90mm f/4.0- 2003   You can see, the elder lenses are 35'cron, 90'APO-cron, 135'APO-telyt and 28'cron. I think Leica will announce the newer versions of there lenses.  Let's have a look at some of these "elder" lenses you mentioned.  90 APO-Summicron f/2 ASPH is (one of) the best medium telephoto lenses ever created. 135 APO-Telyt f/3.4 ASPH... see above. 28 Summicron f/2 ASPH is simply a stunning lens and only 13 years old. Very sharp, low field curvature, low distortion and a pleasing out of focus rendering.  I know Leica tries to refine lenses but renewing these 3 named examples would be extremely hard and would show in a significant price increase.  After all you own a 50 Summilux ASPH which is from 2004 :eek:. Are you going to replace this lens in 4 years? Otherwise this whole point is none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted November 5, 2013 Share #23 Â Posted November 5, 2013 It wouldn't surprise me if we see a 90 APO-Summicron FLE at some point. I can't help but feel it would be a while off though since the current edition is so good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 5, 2013 Share #24  Posted November 5, 2013 Just to create a bit of confusion in the choice, there are rumors of a new summilux 28/1, 4 which will be released later this year ....Gabriele Caproni photographer  The code for a 1.4/28 Summilux was found a few years ago in the M9. Interesting to see if/when it gets released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted November 5, 2013 Share #25  Posted November 5, 2013 Let's have a look at some of these "elder" lenses you mentioned. 90 APO-Summicron f/2 ASPH is (one of) the best medium telephoto lenses ever created. 135 APO-Telyt f/3.4 ASPH... see above. 28 Summicron f/2 ASPH is simply a stunning lens and only 13 years old. Very sharp, low field curvature, low distortion and a pleasing out of focus rendering.  I know Leica tries to refine lenses but renewing these 3 named examples would be extremely hard and would show in a significant price increase.  After all you own a 50 Summilux ASPH which is from 2004 :eek:. Are you going to replace this lens in 4 years? Otherwise this whole point is none.  Well, well, well. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/305987-dilemma-50s-50lux-50apo-cron.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 5, 2013 Share #26 Â Posted November 5, 2013 odeon Why not spend very little on a superb 28 the 28/2.8 and then if your lux 28 surfaces decide then if you want to spend $7-8k or more on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted November 5, 2013 Share #27 Â Posted November 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) odeonWhy not spend very little on a superb 28 the 28/2.8 and then if your lux 28 surfaces decide then if you want to spend $7-8k or more on it. I must whisper... I reserved a 28'cron. I will see the lens in Amsterdam, two weeks later. The waiting is too bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted November 5, 2013 Share #28 Â Posted November 5, 2013 I must whisper... I reserved a 28'cron. I will see the lens in Amsterdam, two weeks later. The waiting is too bad. Â Congratulations. Certainly one of the best wide angles Leica produces:cool: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photojazz Posted November 5, 2013 Share #29 Â Posted November 5, 2013 hard to go wrong with a 28 Cron. I sent you PM re 90 decision. A plea to try the 75 APO Cron first. I think the focal length is much more usable than 90 for more things, and the images are just stellar. Â enjoy the 28 Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 5, 2013 Share #30 Â Posted November 5, 2013 I must whisper... I reserved a 28'cron. I will see the lens in Amsterdam, two weeks later. The waiting is too bad. Â You will not be disappointed. As a matter of fact you probably will be pleasantly surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted November 5, 2013 Share #31 Â Posted November 5, 2013 I must whisper... I reserved a 28'cron. I will see the lens in Amsterdam, two weeks later. The waiting is too bad. Â Excellent choice, it is a superb lens. I would not part with mine. As for the 21mm, unless you are in a great rush, sit back and wait a year for the Leica toting hordes to descend on Istanbul and them I'm sure you'll be able to play with one (or several), to your hearts content . Â Falstaff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted November 5, 2013 Share #32  Posted November 5, 2013 OP seems more concerned about having the latest rather than the one most appropriate for his photo needs.  Just let's say you get the 28 Summicron. And it is replaced in two or three years. You can do one of several things:  1) Keep the 28 as it may work best for you, plus you will have used it for those years, or  2) Sell the old 28 and purchase the new 28 or  3) Some other combination of buying new 21, 18 or 28 and keeping 28 Cron  If you take door 2, I bet you will be out not that much moolah, at least not enough to fuss if you are considering the 21 Lux. As others said older lenses can be prized and you may not feel the need to upgrade. That's how I feel with my 135 Tele Elmar vs new 135 APO. Know the APO is theoretically better but just don't think will get the added utility for the extra cost.  OTOH, door 2 is what I just did going from M9P to M240 and the net cost was relatively small over 3.5 years had the M9P.  Never used the 28 Cron but given what everyone says it's a very special lens that will do you proud and it's value should hold up over time.  Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdayv Posted November 7, 2013 Share #33 Â Posted November 7, 2013 Â Both focal lengths will work well with the 50 but personally I think that the 28 is a more useful and versatile focal length than the 21. As others have written above and elsewhere, the 28 Summicron ASPH has extraordinary rendering and pairs perfectly with the 50 Summilux - these are my two most used lenses (and then 21mm). Â Â +1. Â I have undergone the 28 vs 21/24 dilemma before and have to come into conclusion same as the above. No regrets. I like how the 28 renders the wide, it's not too wide that can do other things without being obviously wide (/distorted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted November 7, 2013 Share #34  Posted November 7, 2013 Just want to add these thoughts: (1) while shooting with a 28 mm lens is very different from shooting with a 50 mm lens, it is also quite different from shooting with a 35 mm lens, although many people think 28 and 35 mm lenses "are quite close" to each other; (2) having a 28 mm lens does not obviate shooting with a 21 mm lens, which, again, is quite different from shooting with a 28 mm lens; and (3) there are essentially two ways of shooting with 28 and 21 mm lenses: one can either shoot to give a feeling of (i) "lensy" wide-angle space, or (ii) "normal" space.  My feeling that many people find it difficult to get used to shooting with either a 28 pr 21 mm lenses because they tend to shoot in the first "lensy space" style by not getting close enough to the subject (which works well only for some subjects). The other way is to get close to the subject and "close off" the back plane of the scene by not letting obvious perspective lines go off deep into the frame to infinity. Here a couple of examples on the latter way of framing with the Summicron-28 (first two pictures) and Elmarit-21 ASPH (pictures 3 and 4):    M9-P | Summicorn-28 | ISO 320 | f/5.6 | 1/250 sec Bangkok     M9-P | Summicorn-28 | ISO 640 pushed 3 stops | f/2.8 | 1/60 sec Bangkok     M9-P | Elmarit-21 ASPH | ISO 160 | f/4.0 | 1/750 sec Pak Nam Pran     M9-P | Elmarit-21 ASPH | ISO 320 | f/4.0 | 1/750 sec Pak Nam Pran   —Mitch/Bangkok Tristes Tropiques [WIP] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted November 7, 2013 Share #35 Â Posted November 7, 2013 Good points, Mitch. Â Congrats on the purchase, odeon. Â I know the OP caught some flak for wanting a newer design lens, but I think there are a few reasons where this makes sense. Leica's been moving away from traditional RF lens design, and moving towards "retro focus like" designs which have desirable qualities when mated to digital sensors. Leica's been committed to mirrorless cameras, Sony's thrown their hat in the ring, Canon/Nikon will likely enter the market (at some point), Fuji's making fabulous cropped sensor mirrorless cameras (maybe they join in with FF of their own)...lenses that work well across these platforms are desirable for long term investments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnkunstadter Posted November 7, 2013 Share #36 Â Posted November 7, 2013 The code for a 1.4/28 Summilux was found a few years ago in the M9.Interesting to see if/when it gets released. Â Perhaps Spring 2014, judging by what a highly-placed Leica rep told me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 7, 2013 Share #37  Posted November 7, 2013 The code for a Summilux-M 28 mm was found a few years ago in the M9. Interesting to see if/when it gets released. The codes for a new 50/2 and a 14/3.8 also were found in the M9 a few years ago. Meanwhile, the new 50/2 has materialised (more or less) in the shape of the Apo-Summicron-M 50 mm Asph whereas the 14/3.8 obviously was cancelled (at least for the time being).  So—finding a code for a new lens in an M camera's firmware may or may not mean something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 7, 2013 Share #38  Posted November 7, 2013 So—finding a code for a new lens in an M camera's firmware may or may not mean something.  I agree, which is why I wrote" if/when it gets released" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey999999 Posted November 7, 2013 Share #39 Â Posted November 7, 2013 The Voigtlander 21mm 1.8 gets excellent reviews but is only a fraction of the price of the Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted November 27, 2013 Share #40 Â Posted November 27, 2013 Conclusion: Leica Summicron-M 28mm ASPH - Black Unboxing - YouTube Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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