Stein K S Posted November 1, 2013 Share #1 Posted November 1, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi My first thread outside the lens section.... and possibly a " stupid" one... I use an M9 and an Epson R3000 printer. I have colour calibrated my Eizo screen (simpliest version at appr euro 550,-) with a Colour Monkey. And LR 5 is the software I use. While colours are more or less always where I expect them to be, the "exposure" is a continuous challenge... And one main issue is that it seems that all pictures do require an immediate exposure adjustment in LR of + 0,5-1,0 steps... More or less as an default adjustment. No big deal I guess, but I am stiil curious if others do experience the same thing (out of the M9). Is there any printer-camera calibration missing... or should I (for convenience) adjust the exp comp in camera... all though I kind of hate the latter...? Thank you all from a guy just trying to figure out the mysteriour ways of "good printing"! Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Hi Stein K S, Take a look here M9 exposure compensation. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jeff S Posted November 1, 2013 Share #2 Posted November 1, 2013 Not stupid at all, but a common question is "why are my prints so dark"? If you google that (either through the forum search box or the web in general), you'll get lots of information. I would first look to your monitor brightness setting, as I wrote in this old post. The issue is not camera-specific; rather it's a common one. I would not recommend adjusting in camera; set correct exposure (using meter, histogram, etc) and worry about the downstream issue separately. Lighting conditions (brightness and color temp) on your screen and to display your prints, are a critical part of the print workflow. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted November 1, 2013 Not stupid at all, but a common question is "why are my prints so dark"? If you google that (either through the forum search box or the web in general), you'll get lots of information. I would first look to your monitor brightness setting, as I wrote in this old post. The issue is not camera-specific; rather it's a common one. I would not recommend adjusting in camera; set correct exposure (using meter, histogram, etc) and worry about the downstream issue separately. Lighting conditions (brightness and color temp) on your screen and to display your prints, are a critical part of the print workflow. Jeff Thanks a lot! I will be looking into your thread! My "puzzling" though, is that the " straight-out-of-the-camera" (no monitor involved) do get too dark... period! And again; PP has come to stay (which is marvelous), but I would have liked some "default" exposure"" to come out on average in an ok way... But maybe I both complicate too much and ask to much... Again, thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 1, 2013 Share #4 Posted November 1, 2013 My "puzzling" though, is that the " straight-out-of-the-camera" (no monitor involved) do get too dark... period! I'm not sure what you mean by "out of camera." Correct camera exposure is a whole different matter. That's an even bigger topic, but involving the basics I cited such as knowing your meter (either in-camera or otherwise), using your histogram, etc. An incident meter is often a good way to check against your camera reading. After ensuring accurate camera exposure, then the issue relates to workflow from monitor to print, which is what the prior link discusses. Jeff Edit...Here is another discussion to keep you busy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted November 2, 2013 Share #5 Posted November 2, 2013 Stein, This video may help (explains the difference in LR between on-screen viewing and print output) -- Hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 2, 2013 Share #6 Posted November 2, 2013 Thank you all from a guy just trying to figure out the mysteriour ways of "good printing"! At first I thought you were trying to print directly from the camera, but then realised you were using a good calibrated monitor. I think you need to separate this into two areas and get the first right before moving on to the second as they are not directly connected in the sense that it shouldn't be necessary to adjust the image on your screen or the camera exposure to improve the print. The first is the camera exposure, and how to make a good well exposed picture that you can save on your PC. This is a massive subject starting with where to read the light from in the first place, to adjustments in processing the RAW file (and the colour space you use), to further adjustments in Photoshop or Lightroom. When you have that sorted that's it, the picture is finished. You should not need to re-adjust it (by making it lighter or darker) to make it print properly. The second stage is to understand the connection between the image on your PC and your printer. This again is a massive subject but essentially it is how to make everything talk the same language. So simple things like the colour space needs setting to match between one and the other, then there are ICM profiles for the paper you are using, etc. So it is camera>image, then image>print, not a jump from camera to print. Its a book you need, or a lot of weekend reading internet 'how do I......' articles. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted November 3, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks a lot Steve! Very straight forward logic... and great help to "keep my head straight" when continuing tuning my total process! Regards, Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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