jip Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I recently got my Leica M and was wondering about the R lenses on the M... Now I googled a bit and I found allot of different adapters, what are the differences and what is the best way to go?! I found this one for sale "Leica M to R adapter 14127 with aperture control" will this work, and what is different between that one and the new one Leica sells? Also I've seen one by Novoflex, Any better? Worse? I'm confused! Thanks!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Hi jip, Take a look here M to R adapters, differences. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
masjah Posted October 30, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2013 Isn't this one for using M lenses on R cameras? (I've also got a vague recollection that it might be for Visoflex short M lenses, but I may have got this completely wrong!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 30, 2013 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2013 The Novoflex adapter works beautifully, is well made and relatively inexpensive. But it doesn't have coding, so while all the lens functions work perfectly, you have to choose the lens profile manually, although to be honest I often forget to do this and on my two R lenses, 60mm 2.8 Macro and 180 APO 3.4, it doesn't seem to matter very much what lens profile the camera is set for, the only real drawback being the exif doesn't correctly record which lens you used, if that matters to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 30, 2013 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2013 Isn't this one for using M lenses on R cameras? (I've also got a vague recollection that it might be for Visoflex short M lenses, but I may have got this completely wrong!) Yes the 14127 is an adaptor for using Visoflex lenses on Leicaflex bodies. No use for the M240. The 22228 adaptor allows the use of Leicaflex lenses on M cameras but 3-cam, 3rd cam (only) and ROM lenses might not be compatible. I use a noname M to R adaptor I found on that online auction site and it seems to work fine. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted October 30, 2013 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2013 Lens adapters with aperture control are for modern AF lenses which don't have aperture rings—such as Canon EF, Minolta A/Sony Alpha, or Nikon F with G lenses. All Leica R lenses, however, do have aperture rings, so there are no R-to-M adapters with aperture control for these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks for the information it seems the dealers don't know what they are selling these days... I'll opt for the Novoflex I think, it's only 150 euro... so not too bad. What is the price of the Leica version if anybody know, and if it ever surfaces on the real market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 30, 2013 Share #7 Posted October 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ........... What is the price of the Leica version if anybody know, and if it ever surfaces on the real market. Leica list it at £230, so roughly double the price of the Novoflex. The other difference I think may be that the Leica one has a built-in tripod mount which could be useful, but I'm not absolutely certain about this because I've never seen one, and I'm not sure whether anyone else has either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted October 30, 2013 The Novoflex adapter works beautifully, is well made and relatively inexpensive. But it doesn't have coding, so while all the lens functions work perfectly, you have to choose the lens profile manually, although to be honest I often forget to do this and on my two R lenses, 60mm 2.8 Macro and 180 APO 3.4, it doesn't seem to matter very much what lens profile the camera is set for, the only real drawback being the exif doesn't correctly record which lens you used, if that matters to you. I don't think you can manually set R lenses?! not unless the mount is 6 bit coded as the 'adapter' so it know there is a R lens mounted, then it shows the list... I don't think the original Leica adapter can automatically select the correct R lens either... it only pulls up the R lens list instead of the M lens list... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 30, 2013 Share #9 Posted October 30, 2013 You are correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #10 Posted October 30, 2013 Just to be very clear the latest Novoflex R-M adapters DO COME 6 BIT CODED. They also work as I am using one on my M240 for many weeks now. It brings up the list of R lenses for EXIF data and perhaps correction. They are well made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted October 30, 2013 The Novoflex adapter works beautifully, is well made and relatively inexpensive. But it doesn't have coding, so while all the lens functions work perfectly, you have to choose the lens profile manually, although to be honest I often forget to do this and on my two R lenses, 60mm 2.8 Macro and 180 APO 3.4, it doesn't seem to matter very much what lens profile the camera is set for, the only real drawback being the exif doesn't correctly record which lens you used, if that matters to you. Peter H It is not true-they do now have the 6 bit coding! It works the same as the Leica R-M adapter where one MUST go into the lens selection area (first on the menu list) where manual is highlighted , hit set and you get the list. There is no difference on how the R list is accessed with either the Novoflex or the Leica adapter. Only difference is that the Leica adapter has a removable tripod mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted October 30, 2013 Share #12 Posted October 30, 2013 Just to be very clear the latest Novoflex R-M adapters DO COME 6 BIT CODED. They also work as I am using one on my M240 for many weeks now. It brings up the list of R lenses for EXIF data and perhaps correction. They are well made. I bought a new Novoflex adapter in the Leicashop in Vienna two weeks ago and no, it is not coded. In fact, the sales assistants told me they had spoken to Novoflex and there was no plan to produce 6-bit coded LER-LEM adapters. I know that some people in the US received coded adapters and some of these actually apparently work as intended. Nevertheless, I will buy the original adapter if and when it ever becomes available as I understand it should (a) bring up the list of R lenses to choose from and ( automatically enable the focusing aid (magnification) when you move the focusing ring and © come with a removable tripod attachment that will put less strain on the body, with heavier lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #13 Posted October 30, 2013 Coded Novoflex adapters first surfaced in the UK. If the dealer you mentioned have an uncoded one, it is older stock. Of course they will tell you there are no plans to code them since they want to sell the uncoded ones they have in stock now. These are made in Germany so you cold call them yourself or look on their website. It has been well documented on this site that coded Novoflex adapters have existed more than one month. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-r-leica-flex/266248-leica-r-m-adapter.html See a photo of one in post #35 in the above post. Buyer beware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted October 30, 2013 Share #14 Posted October 30, 2013 I bought a new Novoflex adapter in the Leicashop in Vienna two weeks ago and no, it is not coded. In fact, the sales assistants told me they had spoken to Novoflex and there was no plan to produce 6-bit coded LER-LEM adapters. I know that some people in the US received coded adapters and some of these actually apparently work as intended. Nevertheless, I will buy the original adapter if and when it ever becomes available as I understand it should (a) bring up the list of R lenses to choose from and ( automatically enable the focusing aid (magnification) when you move the focusing ring and © come with a removable tripod attachment that will put less strain on the body, with heavier lenses. I bought a new Novoflex adapter a couple of weeks ago, it is coded and it works same as the original Leica adapter is supposed to do. p.s. the instruction sheet inside the box explains how to use it on the "Leica M Type 240 camera" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 30, 2013 Share #15 Posted October 30, 2013 ........... Only difference is that the Leica adapter has a removable tripod mount. Thanks for the up-date. I wasn't aware that the new Novoflex adapters are coded. But there is another significant difference apart from the tripod mount: the Novoflex adapters exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 30, 2013 Share #16 Posted October 30, 2013 I will buy the original adapter if and when it ever becomes available as I understand it should (snip) ( automatically enable the focusing aid (magnification) when you move the focusing ring (snip) I don't think this is possible. There will be no connection between the rangefinder wheel inside the M mount, which activate the focusing aid when it move, and the Leica adapter. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #17 Posted October 30, 2013 I don't think this is possible. There will be no connection between the rangefinder wheel inside the M mount, which activate the focusing aid when it move, and the Leica adapter. Lucien Lucien To help you understand how ANY R-M adapter works on the M240 you must read more threads here in LUF. Do some research on your own. The adapter tells the camera that the R-M adapter is mounted. That makes the M under "lens detection" show "Manual" (other detection options are grayed out). You hit set and then the camera shows you the list of R lenses that Leica has decided to give you. There are 21 lenses listed by my last count. You scroll down to the one you will use and hit set and it's done. The next time you mount the R adapter on the M it will remember the last R lens you selected prior. It is a simple device. Of course there are no wheels since these are R lenses not M lenses. It's the 6 bit code on the adapter that tells the camera an R-M adapter is mounted on it. The focusing aid is activated manually by you when you hit the #3 button on the front of the camera. I have used R lenses on my M's since March of this year and I can assure you IT WORKS. I have taken well over 5000 images on my M's with R lenses. Take a look at the thread "R lenses on M" started by Jaap. You must look around this website since there is lots of useful information here, but you must look. Use the "search" button and enter your subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #18 Posted October 30, 2013 Just happen to recall there is another very old and long thread on this subject which I will link. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/299124-waiting-r-m-adapter.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted October 30, 2013 Share #19 Posted October 30, 2013 Dear Algrove, I was responding to this post from albireo_double: --- I will buy the original adapter if and when it ever becomes available as I understand it should (snip) ( automatically enable the focusing aid (magnification) when you move the focusing ring (snip) --- I know perfectly well how to use a R lens on the M240. I using the 28-90 and 180/2,8 since mid April with the help of my old 22228 adapter. ,-) Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #20 Posted October 30, 2013 Lucien Sorry I missed who's reply you were on. I am sure you enjoy your R lenses as much as I do also. Regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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