CheshireCat Posted February 12, 2015 Share #781 Posted February 12, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) A limitation to 4 GB video files is pretty common; for example, the new Canon EOS 5DS shares the same limit. It has nothing to do with the file system used but is enforced by the firmware. That is probably to avoid issues with some crappy 32bit video apps not able to handle files bigger than 4GB. In 2015 this limitation is nonsense and must be removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JeTexas Posted February 12, 2015 Share #782 Posted February 12, 2015 That is probably to avoid issues with some crappy 32bit video apps not able to handle files bigger than 4GB.In 2015 this limitation is nonsense and must be removed. With more and more people attempting to use tablets and phones for video editing, I doubt we'll see any change in file-size limits. Most camera manufacturers have to strike a balance of usability between the hobbyist consumer downloading photos/video onto an iPad and pros who have six-core machines ready to churn through huge files. True pro video systems record files in a completely different way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 12, 2015 Share #783 Posted February 12, 2015 True pro video systems record files in a completely different way. "True pro" ? Does this mean that all those videographers that find a 5D2 good enough for their work are not "true pros" ? You probably meant "high end video systems" (overkill for most pros). ... and by the way, my iPad can open files bigger than 4 GB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted February 12, 2015 Share #784 Posted February 12, 2015 I didn't mean to denigrate anyone's choice of camera or make any kind of judgement of their talent! I was just saying that if you look at "Pro" cinema cameras they record to SxS PRO+ media cards or straight out to a separate hard drive with a different file type at a much higher bit rate - No FAT formatting on those things. But nobody using those tool expects to edit the files on their five-year-old laptop or an iPad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 13, 2015 Share #785 Posted February 13, 2015 mjh,Would you have any idea if making two versions of the next M, one more video oriented and (for me and some others) photography optimised and austère like the monochrom makes any sense ? OK, i formulate differently, does the adjunction of video adds a lot to production cost of a camera or very little ? When you decide to build a version with a video option, doing another version without video would achieve nothing towards reducing costs. It would probably be most cost efficient to offer just one version with video and leave it to the buyer whether to make use of that option or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted February 13, 2015 Share #786 Posted February 13, 2015 Thanks, i feared this would be the case since components are likely a very small part of the cost. Only a marketing decision could influence decisions on future models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 13, 2015 Share #787 Posted February 13, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Only a marketing decision could influence decisions on future models. Indeed. The most important and difficult step in the evolution of a company is getting rid of idiotic marketing monkeys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted February 13, 2015 Share #788 Posted February 13, 2015 Perhaps they should try me ? I promise i will not bring a pink version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 13, 2015 Share #789 Posted February 13, 2015 I promise i will not bring a pink version I don't mind a pink version, as long as it has H.264 4k 30fps. Deal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted February 13, 2015 Share #790 Posted February 13, 2015 I thought you were serious and wanted to buy a Leica but now it seems you really want to use it, that's a completely different story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted February 13, 2015 Share #791 Posted February 13, 2015 Have u used sdxc in M240? Yes. But I've never used the M240 for video. I usually do video with my pocket cam - the Sony RX100 Mark III with an external audio recorder. With the XAVC S codec at 1080p, 50 Mb/s, at either 60p, 30p or 24p and SteadyShot it far surpasses the M240 in video functionality, except for the cinematic look that some lenses can give due to shallow depth of field of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALD Posted February 20, 2015 Share #792 Posted February 20, 2015 Well photokina 2016 is in about 19 months time. I expect that is when the succesor to the M240 will be announced. Maybe wisdom will prevail and the will call it the M10 and also get rid of the M-E versions that devalue the brand. Once companies begin producing to many models, the brand suffers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 20, 2015 Share #793 Posted February 20, 2015 Well photokina 2016 is in about 19 months time. I expect that is when the succesor to the M240 will be announced. Maybe wisdom will prevail and the will call it the M10 and also get rid of the M-E versions that devalue the brand. Once companies begin producing to many models, the brand suffers. Shouldn't it be the M11? I'm inclined to agree about too many models - on the other hand I understand that the M-E has been a real success, and has allowed lots of people with lower budgets to join in. all the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 20, 2015 Share #794 Posted February 20, 2015 When the M (Typ 240) gets replaced by a new model it will most likely live on as the M-E (Typ 240) at a reduced price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted February 20, 2015 Share #795 Posted February 20, 2015 Once companies begin producing to many models, the brand suffers. Quite the opposite. It attracts more buyers. And some of those buyers "move up" the product ladder as their needs & skills increase ... buying more lenses & accessories where there's even more profit than on camera bodies. Canon currently offers seventeen DSLR models, in addition to about 40 point & shoot models. And the two new ones (5DS & 5DSR) won't replace the 5D3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted February 20, 2015 Share #796 Posted February 20, 2015 When the M (Typ 240) gets replaced by a new model it will most likely live on as the M-E (Typ 240) at a reduced price. What an excellent idea! Keeping the current M-E as the M light for £3000 would be even better So many people have expressed the desire for a discount rangefinder £3k, £4k and £5k makes perfect sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 20, 2015 Share #797 Posted February 20, 2015 It is threads like this that make me want to say, Get a Leica S! There, I said it. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 21, 2015 Share #798 Posted February 21, 2015 Quite the opposite. It attracts more buyers.[...] Canon currently offers seventeen DSLR models, in addition to about 40 point & shoot models. I believe that "16 DSLR models and 40 P&S" is nonsense, and only causes decision paralysis. I suggest this interesting article [old but still relevant]: Burgers, Tablets & Typography - Jon Gold - Designer & Technologist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKimelb1 Posted February 21, 2015 Share #799 Posted February 21, 2015 There are 41 pages so far and I have just skimmed them. Maybe there are opinions in these posts BUT is anyone willing to guesstimate when the nexgen digital M will be available???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted February 21, 2015 Share #800 Posted February 21, 2015 I believe that "16 DSLR models and 40 P&S" is nonsense, and only causes decision paralysis. I suggest this interesting article [old but still relevant]: Burgers, Tablets & Typography - Jon Gold - Designer & Technologist It's 17 for Canon actually. And Nikon offers 15 DSLR models. Hard to say this is "nonsense" when this is what the most successful camera companies do. That "nonsense" means they can offer something for nearly every budget, whether one is spending $100 for a P&S or $8000 for the top of the line. Camera sales are falling because more people use their phones for photography, not because potential camera buyers suffer from "decision paralysis". Apple at first appears to offer few models. However, the small number of models masks the fact that one can custom-order many Apple products in a variety of configurations and a very wide range of prices. As with cameras, there is something for nearly every budget. iPad models range from $249 to $829 with 5 models that together offer 22 configurations. The little Mac Mini ranges from $499 to $1399. The top of the line Mac Pro comes in just two models ... but ranges from $3,000 to about $10,000 with every upgrade. So look deeper and Apple actually offers a large number of options. Considering Apple's success, Apple buyers don't seem to be "paralyzed" by the number of choices. The idea that In-N-Out's fewer burgers "helps" us to make a choice doesn't work if one actually does want the veggie burger that they don't offer. That said, the linked article does make a valid point about typefaces — which is what the author actually writes about. Using 5 typefaces on a web site, in various sizes and weights, does look messy. Elegant design calls for a simpler approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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