Paul J Posted October 21, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 50mm f0.9 is out of focus in just about every single image. I do not know the author's age, but an eye sight test should hove-to shortly, followed by spec's, thus sparing us any more of these out of focus 0.?? images. However, the 50mm f2.0 is spot-on. Thus re enforcing the idea that the 50mm f1 and faster lenses are for gifted, wealthily amateurs; and at their best, shoot at f4+, thus rendering the fast speed and huge size completely redundant, something the author argues in the last summary. Said author has the R series lenses, but makes no use of them... partly because the M series body benefits from small, desecrate, prime, fast, small (again) and dare I say, dedicated M lenses. This does NOT include the 50mm f0.?? lenses. zzzzzzzz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 Hi Paul J, Take a look here New article: The Leica R lenses guide to Leica M240 on overgaard.dk. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pieterpronk Posted October 21, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 21, 2013 Surely your comment could have been written with some more tact and respect for the author or you could refrained from commenting at all? Telling a photographer he has problems with his eyes as an comment on his photography is crossing the line in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 21, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 21, 2013 A ridiculous comment like that is not from someone that anyone would ever worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 21, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 21, 2013 The 50mm f0.9 is out of focus in just about every single image. I do not know the author's age, but an eye sight test should hove-to shortly, followed by spec's, thus sparing us any more of these out of focus 0.?? images. Pardon ? ....... have you actually looked at the DOF tables for the nocti at 1-2m wide open ??? The nocti at 0.95 at close distances imparts a very distinctive look ..... with a selective focus that can be used to very good effect...... if you like it. No doubt you will criticise this...... but it's exactly what I wanted ...... eyes only in focus The Noctilux is very easy to focus and very accurate .... and the EVF on the M makes it 100% reliable..... Thorstens eyesight is perfect ...... possibly you need yours looking at Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/215008-new-article-the-leica-r-lenses-guide-to-leica-m240-on-overgaarddk/?do=findComment&comment=2447465'>More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted October 21, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 21, 2013 Yes, it is certainly true: all photos taken with the Noctilux wide open, by Thorsten and all of us, are out of focus. Except on the one element of the image that matters most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 21, 2013 Share #26 Posted October 21, 2013 Gilgamesh WOW! Who are you? I have had the privilege of shooting next to Thorsten and must say he is serious and I have learned much from him. On the M he used the EVF and hits the target with it. He is also a polite person, unlike you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicatraveller Posted October 22, 2013 Share #27 Posted October 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have just finished the next article in the Leica M240 series, this one dealing with Leica R lenses (and everything else) attached to the Leica M240 Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - Page 33 - "Leica R lenses on the Leica M 240" - Sample Photos - Electronic Viewfinder - Leica R lens catwalk - handgrips - adapters Enjoy! thanx, i was interested to check price of the leica R 35-70 2.8 after having read that its the best zoom ever, hehe also price is record breaking, going used on ebay for 20.000 euro)))) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted October 22, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 22, 2013 Hi Overgaard. Thanks for the article. You mentioned that you have R lenses from 19-400. However most of the pictures seem to be at 50, often with an M lens. Could you post more pictures with the R lenses in use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi2ap Posted October 22, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 22, 2013 @Gilgamesh. Politely I would say have a long read through the rest of Thorsten's website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share #30 Posted October 22, 2013 thanx, i was interested to check price of the leica R 35-70 2.8 after having read that its the best zoom ever, hehe also price is record breaking, going used on ebay for 20.000 euro)))) The normal price is $12-14,000 and the one at bid up to $30,000 seems like someone doing it on purpose. If you look at the bidding history (as far as I can tell one person is bidding against him self). There is another for a buy now price of $13,500 in not perfect condition, but Leica can still replace lens shades and such on old R lenses. Also this one. Anyways, it's a great lens. Perhaps not that practical on a Leica M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 22, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 22, 2013 Does make you wonder whether, if this lens is as good as you say, why Leica don't revive it with an M mount and my favourite hobby horse of click stops at 35, 50, 75, M rangefinder coupled. Macro Tri-Elmarit. Would be nice. There's a lot of IP embodied in those lenses which you would have thought would be worth reusing. Interesting that we've now had a year without any M announcements at all. Nothing. S lens, X Vario, ghastly coloured binoculars, a new PanaLeica. Perhaps Leica have turned over a new leaf and are not announcing products until they are ready to ship which, given the products announced long ago which are still not shipping, would account for a long period of no new announcements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 22, 2013 Share #32 Posted October 22, 2013 Mark, the cost of producing that lens greatly outweighed the profit they made from it which is why it stopped. Would be nice though, I agree, as they are my 3 favourite focal lengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 22, 2013 Share #33 Posted October 22, 2013 the cost of producing that lens greatly outweighed the profit they made from it I think you mean they made a loss on it. That was then though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 22, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 22, 2013 thanx, i was interested to check price of the leica R 35-70 2.8 after having read that its the best zoom ever, hehe also price is record breaking, going used on ebay for 20.000 euro)))) Actually there is one on there right now going for $30,000. Not the asking, the bidding price! This is mostly a collector lens now. Leica Vario Elmarit R 35 70mm F2 8 702 8 ROM 12H026 | eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share #35 Posted October 22, 2013 I just updated the page about that lens (currently at $30,100) which is one person bidding it up to establish a new market price (see the right side of the picture to see the bidding history). As far as I can tell. There are samples available at 10,000 and 13,500 alongside, so why would anyone bid $30,100 for a lens that is available in the same condition for 10,000? leica.overgaard.dk - Thorsten Overgaard's Leica Pages - Page 33 - "Leica R lenses on the Leica M 240" - Leica M Type 240 Digital Rangefinder Camera - Review - Sample Photos - Electronic Viewfinder - Leica R lens catwalk - handgrips - adapters Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/215008-new-article-the-leica-r-lenses-guide-to-leica-m240-on-overgaarddk/?do=findComment&comment=2448084'>More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted October 22, 2013 Does make you wonder whether, if this lens is as good as you say, why Leica don't revive it with an M mount and my favourite hobby horse of click stops at 35, 50, 75, M rangefinder coupled. Macro Tri-Elmarit. Would be nice. There's a lot of IP embodied in those lenses which you would have thought would be worth reusing. It is really a good lens, but also considerable size. A 70mm lens for the M would be 70mm from sensor plane to focal center inside the lens. And further, a 70mm f/2.8 has to be 70mm divided with 2.8 = 25mm in diameter of the glass. Not so big, actually. Smaller than the 90mm Summarit-M f/2.5. But if you make it into a zoom, that increases the size (and we all would want it to be f/2.0 or less also). Leica has a lot of old designs ready, waiting for technology and market to be ready. I remember I saw a drawing from the 30's of a 110mm f/1.2, and also ELCAN has made some interesting designs as the 90mm f/1.2. I would expect they are working on the rumored 28/1.4 and other low-light lenses, as well as lenses that take advantage of the EVF (meaning longer tele lenses). And why not a zoom as well? But the 50 APO and the M240 must take up considerable space in the production and must have delayed any other releases. But the new factory will open in 2014 and they will probably present something then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted October 22, 2013 Share #37 Posted October 22, 2013 There are samples available at 10,000 and 13,500 alongside, so why would anyone bid $30,100 for a lens that is available in the same condition for 10,000? I agree, even Boris at PhotoAlps is asking for only 14k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 22, 2013 Share #38 Posted October 22, 2013 I got all excited since I was getting ready to eBay mine at $30k and now you say it s way too high. What a disappointment since mine looks as good as the current 120 bid one on eBay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted October 22, 2013 I got all excited since I was getting ready to eBay mine at $30k and now you say it s way too high. What a disappointment since mine looks as good as the current 120 bid one on eBay. Well, it will be moving upwards. No doubt, the lens is rare and 10,000 will not be enough to get one in a few years. The current seller may just be a little too optimistic. Then again, it only takes one person with a lust for the lens and 30,000 to spend. That's why I generally don't like eBay for bargains - though one can definitely also find bargains. For example the 50 Summicron f/2.0 from the 60's can be way to expensive, but if it's a day where there are 6 of them offered, some fo them might go for very low prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted October 22, 2013 Share #40 Posted October 22, 2013 I just updated the page about that lens (currently at $30,100) which is one person bidding it up to establish a new market price ... Actually if you look closely one person (d***i second to top bid) bid 30,000 on 20th Oct and a***g has 'chased' him all the way up until he's outbid him so it doesn't appear to be an illegal action unless it's a shill and d***i and a***g are the same person, which of course we wouldn't know. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.