Hellraiser Posted October 15, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, my name is Johan, I'm 30 yo and living in Antwerp, Belgium. Last weekend, I bought my first analog camera, a Leica IIIc ex-Luftwaffe. Since I'm used to simple digital camera's, an entire new world about shutter speeds and aperture is opening to me Kind Regards, Johan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Hi Hellraiser, Take a look here New member with Leica IIIc. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 15, 2013 ... Hi Johan, welkom op het forum! Why did you buy an Air Force IIIc? Unfortunately, there are still militaria collectors, who pay significant extra charges for those not attached Leitz engravings. Not infrequently, these engravings are forged to achieve higher selling prices. For the same amount you would get a better preserved Leica IIIc from civilian stocks or could afford some additional lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellraiser Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted October 15, 2013 Hi, I'm new to analog photography, and found this camera for about the going rate of a normal well preserved Leica III. I do know that military Leica's achieve higher resell values and that's why I didn't hesitate to buy this one Kind Regards, Johan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted October 15, 2013 Share #4 Posted October 15, 2013 Enjoy the camera. Buy some film, and keep it simple. These cameras are a joy to use, and they are timeless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellraiser Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted October 15, 2013 Thanks! Should I worry about the red curtain when using frequently? it's in pretty good shape and I don't want to ruin it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 15, 2013 Share #6 Posted October 15, 2013 You have a nice find! I'd be tempted to buy another lllc to use and keep this one as an investment, or sell it on (and as said you could have enough to fund a camera and some lenses!). The red curtains were used simply because that was what was available at the time. As long as they are in good condition they should be perfectly fine. The only way to really check the camera is to run a film through it. Then you would see if there are any light leaks or shutter issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellraiser Posted October 15, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted October 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks! I'm planning to do so this weekend. Somebody already gave me these basic settings for 400 speed B&W: Bright Sun, light open landscape: f/16 1/250 Bright Sun, with heavy shadows: f/11 1/250 Cloudy Bright: f11 1/125 or 1/250 Cloudy in city, shady side of the street or inside house near window on sunny day: f/8 1/125 Winter in city, dark day, woods in summer, further from that window: f5.6 1/125 Bright interior fluro lighting: f/4 1/60 Bright interior bulb lighting: f/2 1/60 Darker interiors: f/2 1/8 So I'm curious to see how this turns out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted October 15, 2013 Share #8 Posted October 15, 2013 Hi Johan, welkom op het forum! Why did you buy an Air Force IIIc? Unfortunately, there are still militaria collectors, who pay significant extra charges for those not attached Leitz engravings... Why unfortunately...? The L.E. engravings were done by Leitz itself, these artifacts are connected with the history of the brand: mostly are collected by camera collectors, actually this field of interest is not so common between militaria collectors. Usually they have very different interests. Best regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted October 15, 2013 Share #9 Posted October 15, 2013 Hi Johan, welkom op het forum! Why did you buy an Air Force IIIc? Unfortunately, there are still militaria collectors, who pay significant extra charges for those not attached Leitz engravings. . I second sabears Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share #10 Posted October 15, 2013 Cameras should be bought and used because of their technical characteristics, not because of any imprints, so that these cameras can become objects of desire of some brain-sick mates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted October 15, 2013 Share #11 Posted October 15, 2013 Cameras should be bought and used because of their technical characteristics, not because of any imprints, so that these cameras can become objects of desire of some brain-sick mates. So, all the collectors are "brain-sick mates"? Interesting point of view! regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share #12 Posted October 15, 2013 One should not even touch such a camera, which is already recognized by their imprints that it has served a criminal system in cruel times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted October 15, 2013 Share #13 Posted October 15, 2013 And the worst have no markings at all! Who knows who have used them? I suggest, in order to be sure, to use only cameras over number 400,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share #14 Posted October 15, 2013 Maybe, but here it is not about speculation about possible previous owners but the recoverable higher value only because of the uniquely imprints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted October 15, 2013 Share #15 Posted October 15, 2013 This is "Leica Collectors & Historica" forum. It happens that the same collector, not an extremist, buy a Wehrmacht Leica or a Vietnam M4 ke-7a. Even if you can not change history you can gather evidences and try to understand. Most museums have been born thanks to private collections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2013 Share #16 Posted October 15, 2013 Please read the first post again: As far as I understand it, the owner would like to take his first analog photos with a IIIc instead of letting it rust in a showcase. There is a considerable difference between a WWII-Leica with engravings proved not done by Leitz and an original Leitz Canada M4 Ke-7a. But that is a matter of personal attitude. These not yet built museums will hardly encounter interest as too much overpriced war Leicas are still in circulation. It will be rather uninteresting visiting these mausoleums of their former owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 15, 2013 Share #17 Posted October 15, 2013 One should not even touch such a camera, which is already recognized by their imprints that it has served a criminal system in cruel times. Oh come on! Do you prefer to cover up the past, let's eradicate the events of WWll from history so we don't teach younger generations about the potential cruelty of humanity? Or more likely let future generations cause similar atrocities through ignorance? It's up to the OP to use the camera how he wishes. It is also a historically interesting item and worth a premium to a collector, just as many other items of war memorabilia or Leica equipment are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2013 Share #18 Posted October 16, 2013 No Sir, collecting Militaria is in my opinion already part of an irresponsible glorification of war. It is particularly a shame, if original civil Leicas are falsified later for those dubious transactions. My compassion for those, who waste their money on it, remains in narrow limits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellraiser Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted October 16, 2013 *sigh* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted October 16, 2013 Share #20 Posted October 16, 2013 ...There is a considerable difference between a WWII-Leica with engravings proved not done by Leitz and an original Leitz Canada M4 Ke-7a. But that is a matter of personal attitude... Ok, finally I understand that you know nothing in this field. Leitz did a lot of different military engravings: Luftwaffen Eigentum, W.H. ( Wehmacht Heer), Heer, (Kriegsmarine) Mxxx and... not only on cameras (for example binoculars). Please study all the publications of Lager, Clarke, Foris, Fricke, Weigel, Cane, Melchiori, Laney e Van Hasbroeck. If you want a list, even if not complete, as there were some update, you can start from "Screw mount Cameras with Military Engravings, 1939-1945" by Dr. Luigi Cane, published by the German Leica Historica Society. The list only reports the cameras with engravings made by Leitz, 100% original, 100% Germany (actually M4 ke-7a was from Leitz Canada). The rarity varies: some very rare, few almost unique. But it's true, many leica military cameras seems to be actually in circulation, but really so many fakes! Not to mention those cameras often with ridiculous engravings... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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