rochus Posted October 12, 2013 Share #1 Posted October 12, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, since I updated the firmware I get 1-2 stops overexposed pictures in auto exposure mode, both in classic and advance measurement mode. Does anybody have similar findings or could it be an individual problem (wrong settings as of the update?). Rochus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris_tribble Posted October 12, 2013 Share #2 Posted October 12, 2013 Sounds individual - check if you've accidentally changed the EV compensation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitz Posted October 12, 2013 Share #3 Posted October 12, 2013 What do the histograms look like? Are the highlights blown out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochus Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted October 12, 2013 Looks like the highlights are blown out indeed. Did not have any exposure issue with the previous firmware at least... :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted October 13, 2013 Share #5 Posted October 13, 2013 Did you confirm that Exposure Compensation is set to "0"? The easiest way to check this is to press the "SET" button and check that Exp. Comp is set to "OFF". You can also see this in the viewfinder display as a value from -3.0 to 3.0 when the focus assist button in front is held in. You should see 0.0 to indicate Exp. Comp. is OFF. Sorry to be so academic but nobody has reported anything like this and the firmware has gone through months of testing, so I believe Chris' diagnosis is likely correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochus Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted October 13, 2013 Thanks for answering. Yes it's set to off. And exposure done towards "18% greycard like" areas as usual. By using a -1 stop setting in exposure compensation I get more accurate results. Changed with the new update, but sure cannot test this retrospectively. At least some guys in the German forum have similar findings. No problem to set exposure control to -1 permanently. Just considering that the M has so much dynamic potential in the shadows it's somehow hard to understand. Or it's an individual issue of my sample , so might need to check with my dealer if so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted October 13, 2013 Share #7 Posted October 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for answering. Yes it's set to off. And exposure done towards "18% greycard like" areas as usual. By using a -1 stop setting in exposure compensation I get more accurate results. Changed with the new update, but sure cannot test this retrospectively. At least some guys in the German forum have similar findings. No problem to set exposure control to -1 permanently. Just considering that the M has so much dynamic potential in the shadows it's somehow hard to understand. Or it's an individual issue of my sample , so might need to check with my dealer if so. Thanks for the info, and it does sound like this might be an individual camera issue, so if you have an opportunity to check against another M240 it might be very helpful. As you indicate that the camera is overexposing in both classic and advanced modes it does not sound as if dust or debris has gathered on the light meter, but never hurts to check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyQ Posted November 3, 2013 Share #8 Posted November 3, 2013 Mine is doing the same thing. Changed exposure comp to -1 & it's better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 3, 2013 Share #9 Posted November 3, 2013 Have you tried reloading the firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfisherman Posted November 3, 2013 Share #10 Posted November 3, 2013 Yes, experiencing same problem here.....sighhh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted November 3, 2013 Share #11 Posted November 3, 2013 Hi, since I updated the firmware I get 1-2 stops overexposed pictures in auto exposure mode, both in classic and advance measurement mode. Does anybody have similar findings or could it be an individual problem (wrong settings as of the update?). Rochus I do have this problem. I have set my exposure to underexpose by 2/3 stop and it is almost right at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted November 3, 2013 Share #12 Posted November 3, 2013 Thanks for the info, and it does sound like this might be an individual camera issue, so if you have an opportunity to check against another M240 it might be very helpful. As you indicate that the camera is overexposing in both classic and advanced modes it does not sound as if dust or debris has gathered on the light meter, but never hurts to check. Mine's doing the same thing. I don't have the heart to send it to Leica to fix yet. Takes so long to get it back! I've just set the exposure compensation to -0.7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl G Posted November 3, 2013 Share #13 Posted November 3, 2013 Mine is definitely not overexposing and not changed after the firmware update. That being said, l, I usually have it set for a EV of -1/3 ( for the Leica M) for most ordinary day shooting is giving me the best results. This is not unique to Leica and I have frequently used a slight reduction of generally less than a stop underexposure on digital Nikons to get a file to start where I want it. Of course, this is independent of obvious changes needed for very light and very dark subjects/fields. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted November 3, 2013 Share #14 Posted November 3, 2013 Same problem, not all the time. Interestingly enough, typical when I'm in a darker area and have boosted ISO. First thing I did was check Exposure Comp, 0 every time. As others stated, then set Exposure Comp to -1 or so, then I get Underexposed when it decides to play nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 3, 2013 Share #15 Posted November 3, 2013 Sounds like things are not OK in Leicaland, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochus Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted November 3, 2013 Re-loading the new firmware didn't bring the solution. Setting exposure compensation now permanently to -1 ... but this is reducing the flexibility in critical light situations. Just wondering that only a few forum members seem to have the same problem. Could it be a a wrong calibration of individual samples? Otherwise would have had more response here since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted November 3, 2013 Share #17 Posted November 3, 2013 I am experiencing the same but I am not sure if it is a problem. The camera tends to expose to produce an evenly distributed histogram - this tends to result in images that look overexposed but I don't often get blown highlights (sometimes I do, especially in skin tones, and then it gets mighty annoying). To me it seems like the same thing I get in Lightroom (version 5.2 now but LR has done this as far as I remember) - almost every time I click the "Auto" button, I get an image that is 1-2 stops "overexposed" but has a very well distributed histogram. I tend to shoot the first image on Auto and then switch to Manual with the M240. The same thing I did with the M9, so not much change here. Similar with LR - try the Auto button, but then bring exposure down to 0 and play with the other sliders, usually. Don't know why I can't get the right exposure on Auto (with the Leica and LR) but then "right" is probably very subjective so I don't think about it too much and tend to shoot on Manual most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted November 3, 2013 Share #18 Posted November 3, 2013 Re-loading the new firmware didn't bring the solution. Setting exposure compensation now permanently to -1 ... but this is reducing the flexibility in critical light situations. Just wondering that only a few forum members seem to have the same problem. Could it be a a wrong calibration of individual samples? Otherwise would have had more response here since. Nothing seems to be wrong on my camera. Just over a month old, delivered with prior firmware and updated to the latest version by me, and plenty of shooting since. It's an intriguing issue, seemingly affecting only some updated Ms. Mind you, very annoying if yours is thus afflicted. Lik buying a new Porsche that won't drive quite straight without constant steering correction...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochus Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted November 3, 2013 Agree that "right" is subjective. Just it's clearly over exposed often, means pictures on the monitor but as well camera display look too bright, not only to me but as well others. Did not do a scientific test, just exposed with an 18% greycard. In the old slide film times I never had an issue and used all the usual exposure tricks. So don't think it a question of right usage here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted November 3, 2013 Share #20 Posted November 3, 2013 I am experiencing the same but I am not sure if it is a problem. The camera tends to expose to produce an evenly distributed histogram - this tends to result in images that look overexposed but I don't often get blown highlights (sometimes I do, especially in skin tones, and then it gets mighty annoying). To me it seems like the same thing I get in Lightroom (version 5.2 now but LR has done this as far as I remember) - almost every time I click the "Auto" button, I get an image that is 1-2 stops "overexposed" but has a very well distributed histogram. I tend to shoot the first image on Auto and then switch to Manual with the M240. The same thing I did with the M9, so not much change here. Similar with LR - try the Auto button, but then bring exposure down to 0 and play with the other sliders, usually. Don't know why I can't get the right exposure on Auto (with the Leica and LR) but then "right" is probably very subjective so I don't think about it too much and tend to shoot on Manual most of the time. Same problem with LR in M9 and M. Cameras were exposed correctly I believe. Anyone else with this problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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