Guido Posted October 17, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) In my opinion M240 prices will go down the drain once the Sony A7® becomes available in December. M9 prices already dropped significantly after the M240 was introduced; I think we're going to see a slower decay from here since the M9 has some remaining "uniqueness" left because of its CCD sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Hi Guido, Take a look here Should I keep my used m9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Shade Posted October 18, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 18, 2013 All digital cameras will ultimately lose value. For whatever reason unless it is sentimental value (i.e. was given as a gift, has links to memories you treasure most, was left to you by a family member, etc), then sell it. Funny though, I had a similiar situation to you but I sold the M240. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwchisholm Posted October 18, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 18, 2013 Digital cameras will lose value... Lenses, not so much. Sell the M9 and get a keeper lens, like a 75 summilux. It will hold value or gain value as the lens is a classic and they don't make it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted October 18, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 18, 2013 What does a Sony A7r have to do with the leica price ??? The Sony A7r is going to be the M240 killer in terms of features, technology and price. For this reason, I too would keep the M9 and sell the M240 while you can still fetch close to retail price for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted October 18, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 18, 2013 I agree with Dr Owl. Keep the M9. Its really great if you can afford to have two Ms. And the M9 sensor is top notch. IMO it will still perform great compared with others in years to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted October 19, 2013 Share #26 Posted October 19, 2013 The Sony A7r is going to be the M240 killer in terms of features, technology and price. For this reason, I too would keep the M9 and sell the M240 while you can still fetch close to retail price for it. I am not familiar with the new Sony, other than it is clearly benefiting from pre-production marketing. Perhaps it will be superb...? The unique appeal of the M is the OVF+RF. If you are accustomed to that method of photography, then there is no substitute. The shooter needs to know what the lens will render and then see the actual frame, which RF provides. But I will plainly admit that EVF is not my cup of tea. Also, I really wonder if Leica wide-angles, which are its special strength, will render so beautifully on a sensor with the fancy sensor lenses that M9 and M240 incorporate. Tonight, I was shooting a new Noct .095 on M240 with the new FW in crazy, restaurant lighting. The color nuance is really excellent and seems to now have all of the subtlety of the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted October 19, 2013 Share #27 Posted October 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The unique appeal of the M is the OVF+RF. If you are accustomed to that method of photography, then there is no substitute. The shooter needs to know what the lens will render and then see the actual frame, which RF provides. But I will plainly admit that EVF is not my cup of tea. This concept sounds good, but in practice it never worked for me. I also shoot with a Fuji X100, which offers the same OVF+RF facility. If I were to toggle back and forth between both modes, I'd never be able to capture any "defining moment" of significance due to all the deliberating. So I either use the OVF when loose composition is acceptable and correctable by slight cropping later, or I use the EVF if composition or DOF issues arise. It doesn't make sense for me to use both in conjunction for the same shot; too much fumbling, too much delay, moment lost. The M240 was welcomed by many people who weren't happy with the OVF and the image quality of the M9. The Sony A7r is the first serious alternative to the M240 for Leica lens owners, at 1/3 of the price. It doesn't have OVF yet (leave that to Fuji's next answer to Sony), but everything else is on the spec sheet, the EVF is built-in (no costly extra) plus perks like an articulated LCD. If it meets expectations, I think that the M240 will fall out of favor on the used market pretty quickly. The usability of the M240 won't change for current owners of course, but where is the triple value at triple price for most new buyers? Personally, if I had both M9 and M240, I'd keep both and not care about whatever happens on the market. OTOH if I was forced to sell one now, it would be the M240, simply because I could fetch more money for it now in light of cheaper alternatives coming up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted October 19, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 19, 2013 The Sony might not turn out to be so good with rangefinder lenses - see here. And as far as I can tell, most of using M's of any stripe came for the body but stayed for the lenses, if you see what I mean. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted October 19, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 19, 2013 The Sony might not turn out to be so good with rangefinder lenses - see here. And as far as I can tell, most of using M's of any stripe came for the body but stayed for the lenses, if you see what I mean. Chris Hi Christ, I don't think it's a good article. The final result is in the picture image itself not physics - even with an adapter the Leica lens performs well or better than any other lens in my opinion. So I am going to wait for the Sony A7r and try them out myself with my Leica lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaninsexy Posted October 20, 2013 Author Share #30 Posted October 20, 2013 Good to hear diff perspective from everyone(Thanks a lot). Yesterday,I've decided to keep my m9 and sell my m240 to make some extra cash and will wait for my Japanese friend review of Sony A7R who will get his hand on by the end of November. He also said that I should wait a little longer before pre order this sony A7R. Since he still not sure about mounting wide angle m lens will be like and I also still can't find any review with Sony A7R with wide angle m lens. So right now, I just gonna keep waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duckrider Posted October 20, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 20, 2013 .... decided to keep my m9 and sell my m240 Congrats, a good decision! M204 does not make the benefits of M9 worthless, a prewiev cam is no M-photographie further more..... .... I just gonna keep waiting. Hope, You USE meanwhile the M9 intensively! kind regs Thomas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted October 20, 2013 Share #32 Posted October 20, 2013 Ordinarily I'd advise you to keep anything Leica, but if you are concerned about the M9 losing value, as most digital cameras do, then I'd sell it now. If I have been observing correctly, this was not what happened to the M8 whose second hand price is stable since the newer M's appeared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted October 22, 2013 Share #33 Posted October 22, 2013 Apparently I have made a very right decision (for me), as I sold my M240, bought back an M9, and will use the extra cash to buy an A7 with an adapter. A bliss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 22, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 22, 2013 I am not familiar with the new Sony ... None of us are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 22, 2013 Share #35 Posted October 22, 2013 Sell the M(240), keep the M9 and spend the cash on an A7r? Boy, I hope you're not disappointed. It's one thing to put off the decision to buy an M(240), or like me, never buy one in the first place, but I'm not sure I'd sell a camera which is hard to get and seems to have had a lot of its teething issues resolved for a camera that we know nothing about, other than spec sheets and speculation. I do agree, though, that if the traditional Leica experience is for you, the M9 is the choice of preference (that's what I have), and if you want an electronic alternative, a cheaper, hi-tech camera that you feel no reluctance to ditch when something better comes along is probably good thinking. That's what I'm doing. Leica wides on an A7r will be a tough trick to pull off. Having said that, Sony has the expertise in this sort of thing, so it might happen. I'm hoping the A7r will do the job, but if it doesn't, I'm quite sure something else will com e along! Hell, something else will probably come along anyway! At $2,000, I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun along the way. Who knows, Leica might actually realise that there's a market for such a camera, and make it themselves - that might work with M mount wides too ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted October 22, 2013 Share #36 Posted October 22, 2013 Good to hear diff perspective from everyone(Thanks a lot). Yesterday,I've decided to keep my m9 and sell my m240 to make some extra cash and will wait for my Japanese friend review of Sony A7R who will get his hand on by the end of November. He also said that I should wait a little longer before pre order this sony A7R. Since he still not sure about mounting wide angle m lens will be like and I also still can't find any review with Sony A7R with wide angle m lens. So right now, I just gonna keep waiting. Congrats with your choice. Please keep us posted if you decide to go for the A7R. IMO if you have a M you are buying into a rangefinder experience AND a great sensor. For a A7 you are buying into a great sensor . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 22, 2013 Share #37 Posted October 22, 2013 Nightfire, I'm interested in the Sony but please, how can the A7R be called a killer of any digital Leica rangefinder if the Leica, Zeiss, and CV M-mount wide-angle lenses cannot be used. We already know the A7 is a no-go for such lenses, and even the 50mm Summilux has unacceptable peripheral colour cast and ?smearing (http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=224). There is no information on how these lenses will perform on the A7R sensor. I think a cold shower or a dose of potassium bromide is in order here. Shade, I don't think I'd have sold my M240 before more was known about the A7R unless you I'd decided to go to the M9 regardless. However, if/when the A7R flops on M-mount wide angle lenses you can use your left-over money to buy a nice new lens or have a holiday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolf1h Posted October 22, 2013 Share #38 Posted October 22, 2013 Good to hear diff perspective from everyone(Thanks a lot). Yesterday,I've decided to keep my m9 and sell my m240 to make some extra cash and will wait for my Japanese friend review of Sony A7R who will get his hand on by the end of November. He also said that I should wait a little longer before pre order this sony A7R. Since he still not sure about mounting wide angle m lens will be like and I also still can't find any review with Sony A7R with wide angle m lens. So right now, I just gonna keep waiting. Field Test: Sony A7R Review l Brian Smith Pictures There is one foto example (only) of a wide angle M type lens from Zeiss. Looks pretty good. Anyhow, time will tell. I tend to be rather optimistic. And for sure I can use my 75/2,0 APO as well as the 135/3,4 APO on a new Sony and in parallel my 21/3,4 as well as the 35/1,4 FLE on my M9-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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