AlanG Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1061 Posted October 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is very little talk on how to apply all this new gear to producing better images, the photo forum is a poor cousin That is because photography in general comes down to where you point the camera and when you fire the shutter. And there isn't much you can say in a forum that will effect this unless you are giving out photography practice assignments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Hi AlanG, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jgmb Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1062 Posted October 19, 2013 That's great Tom! I look forward to hearing how your older R lenses work with your A7. Keep us posted. I am leaning towards the 36 mp A7r not so much because I need such high resolution, but because there are advantages to downsampling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1063 Posted October 19, 2013 Tim Ashley has posted his thoughts - as always, a considered piece, and well worth the read: http://tashley1.zenfolio.com/blog/2013/10/sony-e-mount-16-70mm-opinion-some-thoughts-on-a7-a7r One thing I would say is that I'm still not convinced by his reasoning on the relative benefits of the RF over the EVF, save as they apply to the M(240). Properly designed and made, I see no reason why live view cannot out perform RF on tricky lenses, not least because I'm a little tired of the subject dead centre, as that's the only point of focus on a Leica, regardless of what method you use. The Summilux 35 ASPH (FLE) is a case in point. If, as Tim suggests, the FLE has a wavy plane of best focus, the rangefinder will only help you if you maintain you carefully focussed subject in the centre of the frame - that's stifling. I do take on board his point that the best results are obtained with focus peaking by focusing wide open, then stopping down, provided your lens does not suffer for focus shift. If it does, you will need to check and readjust your focus after stopping down. I'm reasonably sanguine about using corner fix when I need to if there is a bit of color shift. But blurry edges and corners are more of a problem. I'm not that much of a perfectionist (he lies, smoothly), and I'm certainly not going to put my images up here to have them dismissed (actually, that's untrue too - there are few whose opinions I value, though a lot of them are here). Cheers John Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1064 Posted October 19, 2013 When using R lenses on the A7/A7r, what adapter would one use? This one -- http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/737908-REG/Novoflex_NEX_LER_Adapter_for_Leica_R.html? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1065 Posted October 19, 2013 Two examples of a 36 MP sensor with old Leitz glass. You be the judge. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nikon D800E + Leitz Telyt 280/4.8 <=== This is not the APO-R 280/4! Nikon D800E + Leitz Telyt 560/6.8 with Novoflex slow focusing mount The sensor in the Sony A7R ought to be at least as good, don't you think? Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nikon D800E + Leitz Telyt 280/4.8 <=== This is not the APO-R 280/4! Nikon D800E + Leitz Telyt 560/6.8 with Novoflex slow focusing mount The sensor in the Sony A7R ought to be at least as good, don't you think? ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2445495'>More sharing options...
anupmc Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1066 Posted October 19, 2013 Why are you here? I think it's generally referred to as ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1067 Posted October 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) That is because photography in general comes down to where you point the camera and when you fire the shutter. And there isn't much you can say in a forum that will effect this unless you are giving out photography practice assignments. Now that is a sad and narrow view of things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1068 Posted October 19, 2013 Paul Habsch from Phigmenttech already did that: https://www.phigmenttech.ca/lmnex/index.php?page=productThe adapter works well on my APS-C NEX cameras. I am eager to get my hands on the A7R so that I can check out all my M lenses. BTW, a lens doesn't have to be coded. One can enter the information by hand or computer. Another really nice feature is that the adapter recognizes when the lens is being focused. The adapter then switches on magnification and/or peaking! Halfway pressing the shutter gets back to full view. Now that is really cool stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1069 Posted October 19, 2013 Few here have the creative photographic skills to warrant high end cameras .............. but it does make for happy snappers Three problems with this statement: First, it assumes that those who have made great photographic contributions did so because of their equipment. Most of the photographers I admire worked with equipment that is antiquated by today's standards. Second, it assumes that the author is discerning enough to make these determinations. Who set the author up as the supreme judge? Third, and most importantly, it puts down people who have the courage to step up to the plate and express themselves. Everyone who tries to perfect their craft should be commended. History will judge what is good and bad--and even its judgment doesn't matter if the photographer enjoyed what he was doing. In short, what an arrogant statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1070 Posted October 19, 2013 Sometime the pleasure is in the doing, not the end product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1071 Posted October 19, 2013 Film vs. Digital. M9 vs. M240. Leica vs. Sony. Oh what fun it is to be on the Leica forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1072 Posted October 19, 2013 Now that is a sad and narrow view of things Photography is pretty simple, so what is sad and narrow about that? It is the essence of photography and why a good photographer can make good photos with a cell phone camera.Technical issues are just about color, sharpness, methodology etc.... a means to an end. But the concept of photography is to frame a subject in a certain way and capture a moment in time. The rest is just developing the ability to see that and understanding how to use your equipment to record it. Perhaps you have arranged a subject and lit it. But production is just an aspect for the first part where you create the scene that you want to record. I don't know how we can help people develop the ability to see, other than by showing examples and giving out practice assignments with critiques. So it is much simpler here, since this is not a classroom, to just discuss the equipment and how to use it better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1073 Posted October 19, 2013 Yes, its deja vu all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1074 Posted October 19, 2013 My brother in laws two of whom are doctors spend a lot of time improving their skills very little is devoted to the latest gadgets And you? Let's talk about you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1075 Posted October 19, 2013 Two examples of a 36 MP sensor with old Leitz glass. You be the judge. [ATTACH]403896[/ATTACH] Nikon D800E + Leitz Telyt 280/4.8 <=== This is not the APO-R 280/4! [ATTACH]403897[/ATTACH] Nikon D800E + Leitz Telyt 560/6.8 with Novoflex slow focusing mount The sensor in the Sony A7R ought to be at least as good, don't you think? Great quality, great colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1076 Posted October 19, 2013 Tim Ashley has posted his thoughts - as always, a considered piece, and well worth the read: Tim Ashley Photography | Sony: E-mount 16-70mm opinion & some thoughts on A7 & A7R. One thing I would say is that I'm still not convinced by his reasoning on the relative benefits of the RF over the EVF, save as they apply to the M(240). Properly designed and made, I see no reason why live view cannot out perform RF on tricky lenses, not least because I'm a little tired of the subject dead centre, as that's the only point of focus on a Leica, regardless of what method you use. The Summilux 35 ASPH (FLE) is a case in point. If, as Tim suggests, the FLE has a wavy plane of best focus, the rangefinder will only help you if you maintain you carefully focussed subject in the centre of the frame - that's stifling. I do take on board his point that the best results are obtained with focus peaking by focusing wide open, then stopping down, provided your lens does not suffer for focus shift. If it does, you will need to check and readjust your focus after stopping down. I'm reasonably sanguine about using corner fix when I need to if there is a bit of color shift. But blurry edges and corners are more of a problem. I'm not that much of a perfectionist (he lies, smoothly), and I'm certainly not going to put my images up here to have them dismissed (actually, that's untrue too - there are few whose opinions I value, though a lot of them are here). Cheers John Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD I'm a bit puzzled by the opinion that the rf is king if you're shooting planar objects stopped down. Seems very few 'true' Leica users do that, so the advantage, other than familiarity! seems slim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1077 Posted October 19, 2013 Learning has moved out from the "classroom" way of thinking sanyasi I doubt if you would like to tie your competence as a photographer to a camera system. Being dictated by a camera system leaves very little room for creativity This thread is about a camera not how it is best applied to image making. I short it is technical haberdashery. But you are entitled to your opinion just as I am Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1078 Posted October 19, 2013 And you? Let's talk about you? I haven't stopped you ,continue but please keep quotes within their proper context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1079 Posted October 19, 2013 I haven't stopped you ,continue but please keep quotes within their proper context. English is not your primary language I'm guessing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted October 19, 2013 Share #1080 Posted October 19, 2013 I don't mind using 'only' my Leica 35, 50, 75 and 90 on the Sony and being forced to purchase a Zeiss FE 21-28 lens to get the right corner performance on the really wide ones. It'll still save me a fortune over a M240. That said, using my 24 3.8 Elmar would be nice and if it performs anything like it does on the MM, I'll be blown away for sure. This is an absolute home run for Sony for a lot of people, albeit not for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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