dwbell Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2101 Posted November 12, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's a good point about the nose. I hope that it's as small an offset to the left edge as it looks in pictures where so some has it in their hand. It looks to me like my nose could go left of body comfortably. We'll see. The m240 EVF nose concern is a nightmare. Right in the optical viewfinder window! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Hi dwbell, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter H Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2102 Posted November 12, 2013 It is possible for you to resolve this. Wait until the cameras are in stock at a local dealer and compare focus speed for yourself. ........ This is a good piece of advice in principle, but my local dealer is 250 miles away so I may well ask a few more daft questions before I'm able to test anything out for myself! But I do take your point. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2103 Posted November 12, 2013 Rich had on in his hands at PhotoPlus. Rich did you notice any problem with the nose hitting the LCD? Do you shoot with your right eye or left eye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2104 Posted November 12, 2013 .............Rich did you notice any problem with the nose hitting the LCD? ........ I don't know what the problem is. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2463938'>More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2105 Posted November 12, 2013 Hilarious. Did you actually do a search for that photo? You officially have way too much time on your hands. It doesn't really accurately represent the problem I have actually encountered in real world photographic situations, but, whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2106 Posted November 12, 2013 As reported on Fredmiranda.com, in the Official A7 and A7r thread, the cameras may have been released to the Korean market: And Leica still can't meet the demand for the Pre-orders for the M240 Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2107 Posted November 12, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe a bit of a down in the weeds issue that most folks are not interested in but I have been surprised to find from both the manual and internet searching that the Auto ISO on this camera is not configurable i.e. min shutter speed etc. On a related note though it does seem from the manual that its possible to put the camera in manual mode + Auto ISO and then shift the ISO via the Exposure compensation dial. Never tried that on a camera before, would be a different way of working but sounds pretty powerful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magosak Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2108 Posted November 12, 2013 As reported on Fredmiranda.com, in the Official A7 and A7r thread, the cameras may have been released to the Korean market: And Leica still can't meet the demand for the Pre-orders for the M240 Rich That's why Sony will get my money and not Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2109 Posted November 12, 2013 Maybe a bit of a down in the weeds issue that most folks are not interested in but I have been surprised to find from both the manual and internet searching that the Auto ISO on this camera is not configurable i.e. min shutter speed etc. On a related note though it does seem from the manual that its possible to put the camera in manual mode + Auto ISO and then shift the ISO via the Exposure compensation dial. Never tried that on a camera before, would be a different way of working but sounds pretty powerful. First paragraph would be very disappointing if true. Second paragraph - FINALLY a manufacturer is actually thinking ahead! Bravo, bravo! Not long until it's "ISO ? What's that?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2110 Posted November 12, 2013 Maybe a bit of a down in the weeds issue that most folks are not interested in but I have been surprised to find from both the manual and internet searching that the Auto ISO on this camera is not configurable i.e. min shutter speed etc. On a related note though it does seem from the manual that its possible to put the camera in manual mode + Auto ISO and then shift the ISO via the Exposure compensation dial. Never tried that on a camera before, would be a different way of working but sounds pretty powerful. Not so on the NEX 6. AUTO ISO is only available in Programmable modes. A bigger question is why would you want AUTO ISO in Manual mode? To control everything EXCEPT the ISO? Sounds dangerous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2111 Posted November 12, 2013 Not so on the NEX 6. AUTO ISO is only available in Programmable modes. A bigger question is why would you want AUTO ISO in Manual mode? To control everything EXCEPT the ISO? Sounds dangerous. Not at all. When ISO is practically noise free up to 3200 (6400?) you can set shutter for motion or hand shake blur (2x focal min at 36mp), set aperture for creative reasons and still cover a huge range of exposure with ISO shooting up and down as required. In this mode I ride my aperture ring based on distance, sure at 2m my 50lux will give me a sharp face, but in closer I need to be up at 2.8 to avoid 'only sharp eyes', shutter is set, ISO is riding as required. Brilliant. New school for sure, many film shooters can't let go of ISO not being fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2112 Posted November 12, 2013 Brilliant. New school for sure, many film shooters can't let go of ISO not being fixed. I agree. This is different technology than film and can use a different interface. I suggested one in the Nikon Df thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2113 Posted November 12, 2013 It was on the footnotes to the table on page 68 of the user manual. It says the following "When the shooting mode is set to M, the exposure can be adjusted only when [iSO] is set to [iSO AUTO]". ISTR reading you could do similar on the RX-1. The footnote is against an entry made in the column for Exposure Compensation btw. I couldn't find Auto ISO configuration anywhere in the manual just the ability to turn it on or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaybob Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2114 Posted November 12, 2013 While I prefer to shoot at ISO's of 100-200-400 when I can get ETTR, (using f2 and f2.8) I wont go up above ISO 1600 on the NEX 6 body, and if I absolutely need to, underexpose a stop or two at 1600. Then I like to let Lightroom get those last stops of information out of the 1600 ISO files at a later time. It's way easier for me personally to get my mind around. Just my opinion, The NEX 6 has far too much Color noise above that setting of ISO 1600, for my taste. Sony A7 ARW files may be completely different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2115 Posted November 12, 2013 Not at all. When ISO is practically noise free up to 3200 (6400?) you can set shutter for motion or hand shake blur (2x focal min at 36mp), set aperture for creative reasons and still cover a huge range of exposure with ISO shooting up and down as required. In this mode I ride my aperture ring based on distance, sure at 2m my 50lux will give me a sharp face, but in closer I need to be up at 2.8 to avoid 'only sharp eyes', shutter is set, ISO is riding as required. Brilliant. New school for sure, many film shooters can't let go of ISO not being fixed. This method works well on the RX-1 for me. So why would it not work well on the A7r? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 13, 2013 Share #2116 Posted November 13, 2013 Some raw files The GetDPI Photography Forums - View Single Post - A Call for RAWS. A7r https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ubcbyynfatd71d6/MzLeLwRo71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 13, 2013 Share #2117 Posted November 13, 2013 So K-H what is your honest opinion and how do these compare with NEX7 files you must know well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted November 13, 2013 Share #2118 Posted November 13, 2013 I'd like to know your opinion on what seems to be a major flaw in the A7/7R that may prevent me from buying one. I own an M, so the reasons why the A7R might be interesting are simply these: 1 - Higher resolution may be an advantage in a few situations. 2- A very effective autofocus system may be helpful in a some situations. 3- It is nice to think that there's a relatively low-cost way to have a second M-lens-compatible digital body that will perform as well as my M whilst also being lighter to carry. This is the problem though: it seems that Sony have not been able to combine their most effective AF system with their highest resolution sensor, so the first two and the most important features on my list are incompatible, leaving me thinking, as we often have done with Leica releases, that this camera is a stepping-stone to one model that will offer a combination of the best features already in existence. Is this a reasonable conclusion? Peter, This is exactly my thought process. I will not likely add the A7 or A7r until I see and have the opportunity to work with some real raw files using a wide range of M lenses and until I see that the auto-focus performs better than what the current reviews are reporting. Wait and see is the order of the day for me. KDR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted November 13, 2013 Share #2119 Posted November 13, 2013 Maybe a bit of a down in the weeds issue that most folks are not interested in but I have been surprised to find from both the manual and internet searching that the Auto ISO on this camera is not configurable i.e. min shutter speed etc. On a related note though it does seem from the manual that its possible to put the camera in manual mode + Auto ISO and then shift the ISO via the Exposure compensation dial. Never tried that on a camera before, would be a different way of working but sounds pretty powerful. First paragraph would be very disappointing if true. Second paragraph - FINALLY a manufacturer is actually thinking ahead! Bravo, bravo! Not long until it's "ISO ? What's that?" I assumed (apparently erroneously) this is how Exp Comp worked when in manual mode w ISO set to auto- at least in theory since I shoot manual and don't use Exp Comp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted November 13, 2013 Share #2120 Posted November 13, 2013 This method works well on the RX-1 for me. So why would it not work well on the A7r? I think I've not been clear. I think it will work well on the A7R. Captzoom - not sure I understand? Seems I'm muddying my own water here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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