Mixalis Posted October 16, 2013 Share #621 Posted October 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not sure about Sony, but there are already a few M mount to E mount adapters on the market, which should work with this camera too. Looking forward to seeing real world reports of M lenses on the A7r. Yes, the E-mount adapter is generally available and has been used with NEX models. I agree, it is a very interesting camera. I see Steve Huff has already tried it with 35 and 50mm Summiluxes and reports good results. We shall have to wait for further more intensive tests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Hi Mixalis, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #622 Posted October 16, 2013 Did I just hear on the B&H video that the "camera API is open source" now? Forgive my lack of knowledge but is that for the wireless app developers (remote self timers, vibration/light gate triggers etc) or for the cameras software functionality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 16, 2013 Share #623 Posted October 16, 2013 This argument of " shake " to dismiss the improvement of more pixels (supposing they are of equal quality) is very, very dumb. I get what I think your point is. However, I think Ming is a smart and practical guy. If shooting off a tripod, certainly more is generally better. But if shooting handheld, shake is a concern. I have not entered the 4/3s market because I have been suspicious about the ergonomics. I look at the Sony 70 to 200 lens and wonder about the balance and stability of the body. To me that is the issue. Huge lens on small body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixalis Posted October 16, 2013 Share #624 Posted October 16, 2013 I have an X Vario that I truly love but had this been available, I might have opted for it with the option to change a lens and the built in VF. I have the same feelings for the X Vario although, if we bear in mind it has a zoom lens, the camera overall is slightly smaller than the Sony A7 will be with an equivalent zoom. With Leica primes, however, the A7 will be considerably smaller than the X Vario and, as you say, has a built-in (and much better) EVF. Hotshoe-mounted EVFs are a pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 16, 2013 Share #625 Posted October 16, 2013 Let's stick to one forum thread, yea? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/304307-anyone-thinking-about-sony-a7-a7r.html At least 3 threads, including this one started 9 days ago. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #626 Posted October 16, 2013 When comparing the A7 and A7r you could argue that at some shutter speeds shake will render the difference minimal. But if you put the A7 on a tripod it can't increase it's resolving power, the A7r is already a higher resolution. So there's really no issue here. All the hands on reviews I've watched and read have actually commented how good the ergonomics are. And Ming suspects it will be an issue without touching it once? I'll wait and see for myself on the 19th November! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #627 Posted October 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'll go you one better - much like my M9 vs M240 colour position, I want to shoot extensively with the thing and compare it to my M240. Nothing else will tell me what I need to know. Thanks. Of course, you are spot on. Same for me, comparing to my gear. However that will be awhile. So I would like to get ready with reading serious reviews! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 16, 2013 Share #628 Posted October 16, 2013 Specifically, he points out that the 7r (36) file size will make camera shake more visible to the extent there is camera shake. He is concerned that the small body may create ergonomics issues that could lead to camera shake. That is pretty funny since maybe you need a high shutter speed or a tripod to get the most out of all high res cameras and lenses? And they have an add on grip for those who want a larger body and vertical grip. It seems they are covering all bases. Regarding minimal camera, shake, my Nex 6 is the best camera I have ever used despite being small and light. It has a first curtain electronic shutter so there is no vibration until after the exposure. And with IS in the lenses I can hand hold at low speeds. The Nex 6 has excellent auto white balance in artificial lighting so I assume this will be as good. Speculating on what is like to hold a camera that I haven't held is kind of hard for me to do and I don't know why anyone else would do that. It looks to be set up like many other cameras I've used and liked. My only issue is, do I really need another camera? BTW there are really cheap Nex chargers and batteries on Ebay. They have worked fine for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 16, 2013 Share #629 Posted October 16, 2013 A USB charger, yes. You have to plug the camera in to a USB port to charge it, with the battery in the camera.There is no external charger included. You can't use the camera while it's being charged (unless you have a very long USB cord!). It's the same type of USB/in-camera charger that is used on the RX-1. An external charger (like we are all used to) is not included, although it will be available to be purchased separately at a cost. Well, the Sony guy called me back and told me he does not know yet if an external charger will be included in the box. Anyway he promised to send me one free if this is not the case and also gave a three year warranty (i think everybody will get it) So i am happy and only one more month before receiving the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #630 Posted October 16, 2013 This will be my first Sony but from what I've seen the battery is an existing W(?) series right? So chargers and batteries must be already available? Ten to the dozen so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 16, 2013 Share #631 Posted October 16, 2013 My only issue is, do I really need another camera? Nope, which is why something would leave my stable if this really hits the spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted October 16, 2013 Share #632 Posted October 16, 2013 I think this is the emergence of a new product category (FF EVF) that will redefine the standard in the market now dominated by Canon and Nikon SLRs (same way that the SLR redefined the market dominated by rangefinder cameras). Canon and Nikon will get into this game and there'll be lots of interesting product introductions. We're already at 36mp. Exciting times. Sure, it'll take a while but this is the beginning of the end for SLRs (Leica S -- ouch!). Good for Leica users (or more particularly Leica lens owners) since we'll a range of increasingly good bodies on which to use our glass. I think this whole thing will increase the relevance of Leica glass generally, increasing demand (and we all know what happens then, for better or worse). Obviously this will be somewhat disruptive for Leica camera body sales, since some portion of the market will buy the likely-better specced offerings from Sony/Canon/Nikon, rather than the M240 or its eventual successors. The competitive environment may even accelerate Leica's pace of innovation, although it would not seem realistic to expect them to be a product leader in this electronic-centric category. The most worrisome possibility to me is that one of the larger players eventually acquires the Leica company. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 16, 2013 Share #633 Posted October 16, 2013 This will be my first Sony but from what I've seen the battery is an existing W(?) series right? So chargers and batteries must be already available? Ten to the dozen so to speak. Yes as I mentioned above, these are cheap and available on Ebay and Amazon. Sony sells one too. I find the in-camera USB charging handier than I thought as I can always top off the camera from AC or my laptop and don't need to worry if I forgot to bring my charger on a trip since it uses the same USB cord as my cell phone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 16, 2013 Share #634 Posted October 16, 2013 This will be my first Sony but from what I've seen the battery is an existing W(?) series right? So chargers and batteries must be already available? Ten to the dozen so to speak. Yeah, I have several chargers and even more batteries. The chargers came with the NEX cameras I bought. And I got some extra batteries cheap. They seem to work as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brusby Posted October 16, 2013 Share #635 Posted October 16, 2013 Noisy shutter - scratch off list. But, sure wish Leica could/would fit a higher resolution finder like the VF-4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 16, 2013 Share #636 Posted October 16, 2013 EXCLUSIVE: Images of the Sony A7 and A7r with Leica, Olympus and Nikon | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted October 16, 2013 Share #637 Posted October 16, 2013 Regarding the red edge effect with wides on A7R; here is one example (see the Zeiss 18mm F4 M-Mount image near the end of the page), showing some mis-colouring towards the left edge. It is, of course, hard to know the degree of post-processing the photo has gone through. A preliminary conclusion could be that the red edge is there, that it's not that bad and that it's likely curable with some post-processing. Off-center image sharpness with wides is another issue that would be interesting to see (and will come with reviews, for sure). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted October 16, 2013 Share #638 Posted October 16, 2013 I agree that Leica is the only company that offers the full package including the rangefinder. The fact that they implemented pretty much everything that Leica fans had asked for in the new M is probably a good indicator that Leica won't rsr on their laurels and take this new competition very seriously when moving ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 16, 2013 Share #639 Posted October 16, 2013 I think this is the emergence of a new product category (FF EVF) that will redefine the standard in the market now dominated by Canon and Nikon SLRs (same way that the SLR redefined the market dominated by rangefinder cameras). Canon and Nikon will get into this game and there'll be lots of interesting product introductions. We're already at 36mp. Exciting times. Sure, it'll take a while but this is the beginning of the end for SLRs (Leica S -- ouch!). I agree. I think economics will force this to happen as leaving out the PDAF sensor, mirror box and pentaprism or the rangefinder/viewfinder and being made by a large electronics company that makes almost all of the parts is going to be hard to compete against. Especially for Leica. It isn't as if the X Vario is a 36MP FF body with a built in 2.4MP EVF and an F4 24-70 removable lens. Heck the new Sony RX10 with 24-200 f2.8 equiv macro zoom and EVF will compete with the X Vario and is only $1299. Sony does not have the pro support or close to the range of lenses that Canon and Nikon have but maybe they can overcome that. Perhaps pro usage is not such a big factor. Hopefully Canon has a similar model in the works that uses their new sensor based PD technology. Faster AF could give them a fighting chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted October 16, 2013 Share #640 Posted October 16, 2013 I think that Leica can start reducing the capacities of their X-Vario construction line... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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