Guest borge Posted October 13, 2013 Share #421 Posted October 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) It sounds like a great backup and alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thomas Chen Posted October 13, 2013 Share #422 Posted October 13, 2013 Whether the Phase Detection AF sensor on the Sony A7 when used for Leica R or M tele lenses (by manual focusing) performs better than the Contrasr Detection approach such as focus peaking or 5X magnification? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted October 13, 2013 Share #423 Posted October 13, 2013 Yes, I'm certainly thinking about the Sony as a backup to M(240). In fact I asked my dealer to put one aside when they come in for me to look at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted October 13, 2013 Share #424 Posted October 13, 2013 Sonyalpharumors is reporting that there will be a promo for initial buyers offering a free adapter for either Nikon, Canon or Leica. Looks like the price will be $2198 body only for the high end A7r with 36mp. I bet it won't take a year to get the adapters Get ready for backorders... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 13, 2013 Share #425 Posted October 13, 2013 One rumor site is reporting that Sony will make available an adapter "for free" that will permit the buyer to use either Nikon, Canon, or Leica lenses with the new full frame Nex cameras. There are three separate adapters and the buyer can choose one, according to the rumor. Apparently this is being done because Sony recognizes that there are not yet a wide assortment of lenses available for the camera. There is also indication that more Sony lenses will be coming in 2014. Rumors, of course, but tantalizing none the less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted October 13, 2013 Share #426 Posted October 13, 2013 Its an interesting development but my take on the drawing showing the supposed design is that it is much closer to a digital version of something like the F3HP than a rangefinder. This is no bad thing as a digital version of that camera has been my dream for a long time but it will undoubtedly be very different to use to an M8 or M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgm Posted October 13, 2013 Share #427 Posted October 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Its an interesting development but my take on the drawing showing the supposed design is that it is much closer to a digital version of something like the F3HP than a rangefinder. This is no bad thing as a digital version of that camera has been my dream for a long time but it will undoubtedly be very different to use to an M8 or M9. Yes, you are right, the sony ff looks like a DSLR here is already a (low resolution) picture (SR5) First low resolution image of the Sony A7 mirrorles Full Frame! | sonyalpharumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted October 13, 2013 Share #428 Posted October 13, 2013 If the camera behaves well with Leica lenses, which is not granted, it will be an interesting alternative and I am sure it will address some of the deficiencies of the M240 like LV zooming to a random point, not just the center. I don't know if I would want it as a backup camera though. Incompatible batteries, chargers, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toyfel Posted October 13, 2013 Share #429 Posted October 13, 2013 Very tempting! Looking forward to the seeing the full specs (rumour says the cameras will be announcedd by Sony this week). This will definitely put a lot of pressure on Leica. Which is good. I like Leica cameras a lot, but given the price difference the new Sony camera seems to be the better deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 13, 2013 Share #430 Posted October 13, 2013 Anyone thinking about the Sony A7/A7R Yes, as a complete replacement, not a backup - if it works out. Heck, if it is good I would get two rather than an M and still pay less than for an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 13, 2013 Share #431 Posted October 13, 2013 Whether the Phase Detection AF sensor on the Sony A7 when used for Leica R or M tele lenses (by manual focusing) performs better than the Contrasr Detection approach such as focus peaking or 5X magnification? I can't see why it would have to be an either/or proposition. As for the rumored lens adapters... it would be very interesting if they have electronic linkage for AF, IS, and aperture functionality. (Third party adapters like that already exist.) Sony would be directly poaching other brands and this makes sense for quick adoption of the camera, despite my understanding that the profit is in sale of the lenses. I've called this camera the Rosetta Stone of camera/lens compatibility. Canon and Nikon must be working on similar designs. I also said that Leica should make an M that has a good built in EVF in place of the RF but would have to also figure out a way to make its live view shooting/processing much faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted October 13, 2013 Share #432 Posted October 13, 2013 I have been following the SonyAlphaRumors very closely on this and a good deal of it sounds interesting but I am still very disappointed with the DSLR form factor. I love my NEX 6 for its small size and layout and to my mind, a scaled up FF version would be ideal. I am still hoping this happens at some point in the future. So far, we have seen a sketch and what appears to be a cobbled together picture of what the A7 - A7r will look like with the DSLR hump. We only have a few days to really find out. On the SAR site, they had a link to Sony RX 100 cameras on sale, and the more I look at that camera with its detachable EVF, the more I think the A-7 will have a detachable EVF. The accessory EVF for the RX 100 is very similar in shape to the sketch of the A-7 shown on SAR. While a detachable EVF does not appeal to me, this makes more sense to me given its shape, the central location vis-à-vis the M 240 and RX 100 EVF locations and the lower price points that the A-7 is coming in at. As I said, we have only a few days to find out, and I am still hoping that the true NEX FF version comes out later looking like a NEX and not some wannabe DSLR! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 13, 2013 Share #433 Posted October 13, 2013 ...As I said, we have only a few days to find out, and I am still hoping that the true NEX FF version comes out later looking like a NEX and not some wannabe DSLR! I agree with you but there might be some kind of deeply held view, perhaps subconsciously, that the lump is the sign of a more professional camera. In some designs it also does help to get the flash a bit farther from the lens. A lot of photographers are used to using a camera with a VF in this location. And it could be that the new EVF needs to be larger, as with the Olympus VF, 4 so they had no choice and figured a lump in the middle is better than a lump at the end. And if you shoot using your right eye, a central VF will help block your left eye's vision if you keep both eyes open while shooting. Additionally, Sony may want to differentiate the shape of the FF models from the APS models. I am thinking that this relatively inexpensive Sony body may also get some non Leica users to buy Leica lenses as digital bodies tend to become dated whereas the lenses hold value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexigary Posted October 13, 2013 Share #434 Posted October 13, 2013 Yes, you are right, the sony ff looks like a DSLR I don't think it looks like a DSLR, more like an M4/3 Olympus OM-D. Or like a Sony RX-1 with a little grip and a viewfinder. Still a compact form factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted October 13, 2013 Share #435 Posted October 13, 2013 Yes, - this could have been a "Leica M" body equipped with a state of the art electronic viewfinder and grip. But now Sony wins this race. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2441003'>More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted October 13, 2013 Share #436 Posted October 13, 2013 Yes, - this could have been a "Leica M" body equipped with a state of the art electronic viewfinder and grip. But now Sony wins this race. Take a close look at this image. Quite obviously Photoshopped. The lighting/shadows are conflicting with one another, and the strap lugs aren't in the same plane. The "dial" in the place of the shutter release button on the NEX models makes no sense. How will you trip the shutter on this thing? As I said earlier, this is a cobbled up Frankenstein image. AlanG, you are correct that the market sees the DSLR form and layout as a more "professional" camera. I have been shooting Leica M cameras for over 40 years, and the RF form factor works so much better for me. I don't care if I look professional when I'm shooting. I have my D700 for that. The M9-P and my NEX 6 frees me from all the "professional" crap I have to haul around to get wonderful images for me. This is the root of my disappointment with this A-7. Maybe I'll sell my D700 and get one of these, maybe not. But I was really looking forward to a scaled up NEX 6 to use with my M mount lenses and get away from all this bulky DSLR luggage and look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 13, 2013 Share #437 Posted October 13, 2013 Take a close look at this image. Quite obviously Photoshopped. The lighting/shadows are conflicting with one another, and the strap lugs aren't in the same plane. The "dial" in the place of the shutter release button on the NEX models makes no sense. How will you trip the shutter on this thing? As I said earlier, this is a cobbled up Frankenstein image. AlanG, you are correct that the market sees the DSLR form and layout as a more "professional" camera. I have been shooting Leica M cameras for over 40 years, and the RF form factor works so much better for me. I don't care if I look professional when I'm shooting. I have my D700 for that. The M9-P and my NEX 6 frees me from all the "professional" crap I have to haul around to get wonderful images for me. This is the root of my disappointment with this A-7. Maybe I'll sell my D700 and get one of these, maybe not. But I was really looking forward to a scaled up NEX 6 to use with my M mount lenses and get away from all this bulky DSLR luggage and look. Well according to the rumors it isn't really that bulky. It's about the same size as a OM-D EM-5, which is much lighter and smaller than an M... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted October 13, 2013 Share #438 Posted October 13, 2013 Well, where the game is selling Leica M's for $7,000 apiece, then the Sony A7r (at $2,195) looks like a game changer all right. I sure like my M240 right now because there's no alternative. The A7r promises to profoundly change that. If it a better way to use Leica glass then so much the better. If the competition spurs Leica to accelerate their pace of innovation, so much the better on that as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 13, 2013 Share #439 Posted October 13, 2013 Yes, as a complete replacement, not a backup - if it works out. Heck, if it is good I would get two rather than an M and still pay less than for an M. The main challenge is that there won't be a rangefinder. Which is the main reason for many M users to use Leica cameras, myself included. I've tried all the EVF variants, adapters, and stuff like that... Yes, it works, but it's a pain to use, and I don't like it. But if the price premium of a optical rangefinder only will be $5000 then maybe it's worth putting up with the EVF hassle. Interesting times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 13, 2013 Share #440 Posted October 13, 2013 The main challenge is that there won't be a rangefinder. Which is the main reason for many M users to use Leica cameras, myself included. I've tried all the EVF variants, adapters, and stuff like that... Yes, it works, but it's a pain to use, and I don't like it. But if the price premium of a optical rangefinder only will be $5000 then maybe it's worth putting up with the EVF hassle. Interesting times. I agree if you want the an OVF there are only 2 options at the moment and that is a leica M or fuji X-pro 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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