ModernMan Posted November 4, 2013 Share #181 Posted November 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree for the Novoflex coatings but again modern technology comes to the rescue. There are now processes like for example, Apticote 350L hard anodising, which provides the same wear resistance of medium carbon steel, together with the added benefit of good lubricity. The only downside of using a hard aluminium alloy for an adapter, is the difficulty in machining to the same micron tolerances as brass, due to a phenomenon called spalling. Wilson Does Apticote 350L provide the wear resistance and low friction of chrome plating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 4, 2013 Posted November 4, 2013 Hi ModernMan, Take a look here waiting for the R to M adapter. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wlaidlaw Posted November 4, 2013 Share #182 Posted November 4, 2013 Does Apticote 350L provide the wear resistance and low friction of chrome plating? Very close. This is a fast moving development process and techniques and materials are improving almost by the day. Graphene coatings will arrive within the next few years. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 4, 2013 Share #183 Posted November 4, 2013 Very close. This is a fast moving development process and techniques and materials are improving almost by the day. Graphene coatings will arrive within the next few years. Wilson Maybe Leica is waiting for Graphene coatings before they release their R-M adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernMan Posted November 4, 2013 Share #184 Posted November 4, 2013 Maybe Leica is waiting for Graphene coatings before they release their R-M adapter. Maybe we can look forward to a graphene coated V4 EVF. Leica firmware needs to advance at the pace of coating technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted November 6, 2013 Share #185 Posted November 6, 2013 Does anyone have any further hard, reliable information with regard to Leica's deliveries of their R-M adapter. We've heard on this Forum of some limited numbers being delivered, and then further reports that these deliveries were "inadvertant" and recalled, or for dealers' demo purposes only, etc., etc., etc.. But is there yet any sign of regular, even if limited, actual deliveries for customers? (I've got an M 240 on order, but I've asked my dealer not to deliver one to me until the R-M adapter and EVF2 can be delivered with it. It would be nice to have the trio delivered for Christmas, but I'm sure that it's out of my dealer's hands until Leica start proper deliveries of the adapter. I'm not interested in using other makes, eg Novoflex, as a stop-gap.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeEvangelist Posted November 6, 2013 Share #186 Posted November 6, 2013 We've heard on this Forum of some limited numbers being delivered, and then further reports that these deliveries were "inadvertant" I believe those 'inadvertent delivery' comments were related to the multifunction grip, not the R to M adapter. Why it's taking Leica over year to produce something so simple as an extension tube is completely baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 6, 2013 Share #187 Posted November 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone have any further hard, reliable information with regard to Leica's deliveries of their R-M adapter. We've heard on this Forum of some limited numbers being delivered, and then further reports that these deliveries were "inadvertant" and recalled, or for dealers' demo purposes only, etc., etc., etc.. But is there yet any sign of regular, even if limited, actual deliveries for customers? (I've got an M 240 on order, but I've asked my dealer not to deliver one to me until the R-M adapter and EVF2 can be delivered with it. It would be nice to have the trio delivered for Christmas, but I'm sure that it's out of my dealer's hands until Leica start proper deliveries of the adapter. I'm not interested in using other makes, eg Novoflex, as a stop-gap.) John, Ffordes have had a single R to M adapter so far. I am near the top of their list, so I hope mine might come in the next batch they get. For such a simple bit of kit, these delays are really inexcusable. It is high time Leica realised that the mushroom approach to customers (keep them in the dark and feed them .....) is no longer acceptable in this day and age. One might hope that the A7/R might be a wake up call to them but I doubt it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted November 6, 2013 Share #188 Posted November 6, 2013 Does anyone have any further hard, reliable information with regard to Leica's deliveries of their R-M adapter. We've heard on this Forum of some limited numbers being delivered, and then further reports that these deliveries were "inadvertant" and recalled, or for dealers' demo purposes only, etc., etc., etc.. But is there yet any sign of regular, even if limited, actual deliveries for customers? (I've got an M 240 on order, but I've asked my dealer not to deliver one to me until the R-M adapter and EVF2 can be delivered with it. It would be nice to have the trio delivered for Christmas, but I'm sure that it's out of my dealer's hands until Leica start proper deliveries of the adapter. I'm not interested in using other makes, eg Novoflex, as a stop-gap.) Hi John. My dealer has a sample and wrote their clients a week ago saying the adapter is coming...soonish. This seems to mean we are getting closer and Xmas would seem good if you are high on the list. I requested one Sept 12 when M announced and have loved having the M for two+ months. Good to get familiar with it before trying EV2 and flex lenses IMHO. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted November 6, 2013 Share #189 Posted November 6, 2013 John, Ffordes have had a single R to M adapter so far. I am near the top of their list, so I hope mine might come in the next batch they get. For such a simple bit of kit, these delays are really inexcusable. It is high time Leica realised that the mushroom approach to customers (keep them in the dark and feed them .....) is no longer acceptable in this day and age. One might hope that the A7/R might be a wake up call to them but I doubt it. Wilson Thanks Wilson. I've heard said that another manifestation of the mushroom syndrome is that, as soon as you get your head above the ground, someone comes along and dumps a load of s--t on you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 6, 2013 Share #190 Posted November 6, 2013 Does anyone have any further hard, reliable information with regard to Leica's deliveries of their R-M adapter. We've heard on this Forum of some limited numbers being delivered, and then further reports that these deliveries were "inadvertant" and recalled, or for dealers' demo purposes only, etc., etc., etc.. But is there yet any sign of regular, even if limited, actual deliveries for customers? (I've got an M 240 on order, but I've asked my dealer not to deliver one to me until the R-M adapter and EVF2 can be delivered with it. It would be nice to have the trio delivered for Christmas, but I'm sure that it's out of my dealer's hands until Leica start proper deliveries of the adapter. I'm not interested in using other makes, eg Novoflex, as a stop-gap.) I have two dealers on two continents trying to get me an R-M adapter, but no luck so far and one is a well known Leica store. I'll post as soon as any info is forth coming from one or both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delcredere Posted November 7, 2013 Share #191 Posted November 7, 2013 Hi John. My dealer has a sample and wrote their clients a week ago saying the adapter is coming...soonish. This seems to mean we are getting closer and Xmas would seem good if you are high on the list. I requested one Sept 12 when M announced and have loved having the M for two+ months. Good to get familiar with it before trying EV2 and flex lenses IMHO. Ed I have been on the waiting lists of two London dealers since April and every month since then they have been telling me with fresh faced ernestness that the adaptor is expected in the next couple of weeks... Leica seem to want to emulate Apple by opening their own stores. But Apple focus on a total customer experience of happiness - whereas the optical engineers at Leica seem shortsightedly to think only about technical excellence of their lenses.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 7, 2013 Share #192 Posted November 7, 2013 delcredere Agree. It is all about managing customer expectations prior to purchase and after purchase. Many expected the M sooner. Many expected a simple R-M adapter sooner from Leica that Novoflex could engineer and code within a few months after the M started shipping. Many expected the MF grip with GPS many months ago. Many expected the APO50 would be a terrific lens out of the box. This has not been the case. Many expected the 21 SEM to be terrific out of the box. Remember the recall of those lenses a few years ago. Now while most of the above delays occurred Leica brought out a mini M, sorry the Vario in such numbers that at introduction dealers had them on their shelves. Where was Leica putting its priorities then? Certainly not on their bread and butter M customers who continue to pay outlandish prices for bodies that will not sustain prolonged use with the EVF. What, are we all stupid to put up with this German inefficiency? Or have we reduced our expectations when it comes buying Leica gear? If that is the case, then the next generation of well healed buyers will probably not buy Leica except perhaps for lenses since their expectations can be met with the likes of the many innovative camera companies that deliver up to ones expectations and not short of ones expectations. I want a camera that does not get in the way of my imaging making and right now my M's are all too often getting in the way of relaxing image creation when they do not function properly. If one does not use the EVF nor R lenses, then your experiences could be different, but once you have your first (of many) lockups then your taste for Leica will be blunted and you will be tempted to look elsewhere for a camera that functions as promised and expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacSpikes Posted November 7, 2013 Share #193 Posted November 7, 2013 Picked up my R-adapter M today for E255 @Foto Henny Hoogeveen in Lisse, Netherlands. Looking forward to using it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danedit28 Posted November 7, 2013 Share #194 Posted November 7, 2013 When using an R lens on an M body thru an adapter, is there a relative change in the focal length of the R lens? For example, is a 50mm M lens the same focal length of a 50mm R lens when both are mounted on an M? Or would the 50mm R lens now behave like a 45mm or 55mm M lens or such? Another example... with nikkor lenses, if you place an 50mm FX lens on a DX body, the 50mm FX lens now behaves like a 75mm FX lens because of the smaller sensor in the DX body. So in addition to the possible difference in rear-lens to sensor distance with the inclusion of the R-to-M adapter, are there other factors that might be in play that would change the relative focal lengths of R lenses on M bodies? Thanks, -dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danedit28 Posted November 7, 2013 Share #195 Posted November 7, 2013 I may have partly answered my own question. I see that the flange in the R system is ~47mm whereas the flange in the M system is ~28mm. Perhaps the added flange of the R-to-M adapter makes up that difference. Perhaps not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 7, 2013 Share #196 Posted November 7, 2013 Picked up my R-adapter M today for E255 @Foto Henny Hoogeveen in Lisse, Netherlands. Looking forward to using it! Now that is progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 7, 2013 Share #197 Posted November 7, 2013 Back in the early 70's I worked at my cousin's camera store. Most Leica products were on perennial back order. Literally, a year or more to get a simple ever-ready case for one guy. The Empire State Building took less time to construct. It was a hassle to have to keep checking with Leica these orders (via telegrams I recall) and re-assure the customers that we were doing all we could to try to get their items.We rarely ran into that issues with other brands. Yes some newly released high demand Nikon lenses could be in short supply for a while. As a result, none of the sales people wanted to deal with Leica gear unless the customer insisted. If Leica has this stuff pre-sold at high prices, I can't see why 40 years later they have not figured out how to make it quicker or maintain a reasonable inventory. It isn't as if a lens adapter is going to go bad if it sits around for a while. How many sales did Leica lose to Novoflex and others by not having this item available? They knew way in advance that the M and EVF would appeal to a lot of R users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted November 7, 2013 Share #198 Posted November 7, 2013 When using an R lens on an M body thru an adapter, is there a relative change in the focal length of the R lens? No. I see that the flange in the R system is ~47 mm whereas the flange in the M system is ~28 mm. Perhaps the added flange of the R-to-M adapter makes up that difference. Yes, exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
efreed2754 Posted November 7, 2013 Share #199 Posted November 7, 2013 Alan, interesting experience from1970s. Most of my original purchases were used so probably don't recall. When did start to purchase new 15+ years ago don't recall long waits but could be wrong. Either way our internet age with instant communications from all over the world certainly influences our perspectives on things. We get a lot more worked up it seems when dozens of us don't have what is offered and we are willing to buy. Kind of a herd mentality. This phenomena should change the way companies like Leica behave and operate. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted November 8, 2013 Share #200 Posted November 8, 2013 When did start to purchase new 15+ years ago don't recall long waits but could be wrong.... Leica gear was probably near its lowest point in popularity around then, so with less demand it might have been easier for them to fulfill the orders. Now it seems that demand is up but they are losing sales by not having inventory. I don't know if my cousin's store was typical, maybe the store was low priority to Leica or we just had bad luck ordering some items. Leica was not that popular at the time although I had a Leicaflex SL, a IIIf and some lenses. I also had two Nikon Fs with probably 5 lenses, a Nikon S3 with 3 lenses and a Hassy 500CM with 3 lenses. Not bad for a 19-20 year old college student but I got great pricing on everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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