Jeff S Posted August 28, 2013 Share #21 Posted August 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) But if this is what I could expect from using my Leica... Neither of my two suggestions pertain to Leica...but they sure can improve results from your Leica, or other camera. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 Hi Jeff S, Take a look here How would you eliminate the redness here?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mark_j Posted August 28, 2013 Share #22 Posted August 28, 2013 I'm confused as to what this image represents. Is this suposed to be a corrected version? (Not being sarcastic here. my question is real). To my eyes the dude's arm is still really purple and there's no way I could turn in this image to any client. Disclaimer: I am not trying to be rude or insulting. I am not trying to diss Leica system camera. But if this is what I could expect from using my Leica for couples photography there is no way I would choose this tool over my Nikon for this project. John No offense taken, the other day I just posted under the influence which is never a good idea so just ignore that post. I really have no greater like of my Leica than I do of my 5diii and under these lighting/colour circumstances I would probably be reaching for the Canon; whichever tool does the best job. It is supposed to be a corrected image but I agree the arm still doesn't look great. To my eyes this original image is too cool and so removing any more red from the arm makes it go very grey so the adjustment doesn't work as well as when it is applied to the (in my view) colour corrected image. It just goes to show how difficult it is comparing DNG images on one monitor with JPG images on another monitor and that is before you take into account the different personal interpretations of "correct" colour balance. I think if you spent 10 mins or so in PS using the hue/saturation adjustment layer and a mask then you could probably get the image where you wanted it but if you have a number of images with the same problem then it becomes a hassle and I can see why you wouldn't want to take that on. The part that puzzles me is that her skin tone looks pretty good, it is just his redness that looks odd so the M9 must be reacting to something specific with him. Do you have an image taken with the Nikon? It would be great to see how that looks. Anyway I hope it works out and the client is happy, after all their view is the one that really matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #23 Posted August 29, 2013 John The part that puzzles me is that her skin tone looks pretty good, it is just his redness that looks odd so the M9 must be reacting to something specific with him. Do you have an image taken with the Nikon? It would be great to see how that looks. Anyway I hope it works out and the client is happy, after all their view is the one that really matters. I shoot jiu jitsu (grappling) with my M9 at least 2x per week and I' m accustomed to seeing one person with off color skin and another with correct skin even though they are right next to each other. That is the norm for the M9, in my experience. it's not an issue when i'm shooting jiu jitsu, but as I begin shooting couples, as I mentioned earlier, it most certainly is a problem. I didn't shoot this couple with my Nikon -only my M9. Not really interested in doing a side by side comparrisson anyway. I just want to use a camera that will give me the result I need. Thank you to all who contributed to this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 29, 2013 Share #24 Posted August 29, 2013 This is my take on it, and it took maybe 1 minute in CS6 and Color Efex Pro. I opened the file in CS6, opened Color Efex Pro and used the white neutralizer to remove the pink and warmth in the image. I tend to think the guy did have pinker skin than the girl. Steve Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/211315-how-would-you-eliminate-the-redness-here/?do=findComment&comment=2408145'>More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted August 29, 2013 Author Share #25 Posted August 29, 2013 This is my take on it, and it took maybe 1 minute in CS6 and Color Efex Pro. I opened the file in CS6, opened Color Efex Pro and used the white neutralizer to remove the pink and warmth in the image. I tend to think the guy did have pinker skin than the girl. Steve This version is pretty good to my eyes. Some might question the blown highlights on the girl but I often process similar to this processing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 29, 2013 Share #26 Posted August 29, 2013 I wasn't going to do the full job and finish it for you! The blown highlights need addressing in ACR, I just pressed 'Auto' as I have no idea what your ultimate intention is with the image, whether it should be dark, high key, or in between. But it isn't a complicated workflow either way, and I would say a custom white balance using a white card should solve the problem on location. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted August 30, 2013 Share #27 Posted August 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm using LR3 and I can't get rid of the redness on the guy's nose, lips and arm on these photos. How would you do it? Shot with M9 and 50mm Summicron (not the most recent version, but the one before that). Link to public Dropbox folder is below. I'd love to see how you'd process this shot or have you at least describe how you'd do it. I'm this|close to bailing on the M9 for work like where the skin tone is critical. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/iyqb7iofke2wlxx/EKt6JyZ4w3 If you happen to own any of these tools, consider creating your own profile with ColorChecker and DNG Profile Editor or with QCCalibration. Or apply settings from this post. It seems to take care of the redness, at least in LR5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted September 1, 2013 Share #28 Posted September 1, 2013 Hi John, I downloaded your first image and I understand your frustration but I personally believe there's not really a one click solution for these issues. I use to be a Nikon user and I would constantly get color issues including redness in the skin. I am only sharing this as a humble opinion but if the guy has reddish skin in real life it will probably get accentuated in pictures. Again I'm no pro but this is just what I believe as a hobbyist. Anyway I had a go with your file in lightroom, it was a 1 min local adjustment and this is what I came up with. I know this wasn't the solution you're looking for and it would be a pain to do for every pic but sometimes great images are worth the effort to save Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/211315-how-would-you-eliminate-the-redness-here/?do=findComment&comment=2410585'>More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share #29 Posted September 1, 2013 I am only sharing this as a humble opinion but if the guy has reddish skin in real life it will probably get accentuated in pictures.[ATTACH]395762[/ATTACH] Thanks for doing the file. However, the guy doesn't have red skin. The red skin issue on select individuals is something I get consistently with my M9 and never with my Nikon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 1, 2013 Share #30 Posted September 1, 2013 So what is, if any, the difference between the two skins? The way the light falls on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougg Posted September 2, 2013 Share #31 Posted September 2, 2013 Maybe the M9 is recording more IR. I've been thinking we M8 guys have been a bit hasty in discarding our IR Cut filters... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share #32 Posted September 2, 2013 So what is, if any, the difference between the two skins?The way the light falls on it? I don't know what the issue is. But its something I encounter most of the time when I shoot with the M9. I added 2 additional images to the Dropbox folder. These are images of jiu jitsu students. When I shoot jiu jitsu people, it's common for my M9 to record one person as having "correct" skin tone and the other person to have red feet or a red face. I think it happens mostly when the person has blood flowing to these their face and feet after working out. However, and this is the crucial thing, the people wouldn't be red/purple if I shot the images with my Nikon. For me, its a problem unique to the Leica. (I realize this forum is not the place to point out flaws in the M9. However, I'm just responding to the question that was asked of me). And the red/purple issue is not just with the jiu jitsu people I shoot. I can show tons of people with purple/red lips and faces from a variety of situations and locations. For me, it's a constant issue I deal with when shooting the M9. It's an issue I've been willing to accept up until I decided to embark on this couples project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 2, 2013 Share #33 Posted September 2, 2013 Thanks John. That's very interesting. I think Dougg makes an excellent point. Maybe the IR filter directly over the M9 sensor is a little too weak when men heat up. Apparently women stay cooler. So you may consider using an extra UV/UVA/IR Glass Filter in front of your lens. That should get rid of the unwanted heat. I think it's worth a try. And BTW this is the correct place to discuss those M9 issues! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted September 2, 2013 Share #34 Posted September 2, 2013 John, The issue occurs independent of the lens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share #35 Posted September 2, 2013 John,The issue occurs independent of the lens? Absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 2, 2013 Share #36 Posted September 2, 2013 It can certainly be an IR problem. Just test it out using a filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted September 2, 2013 Author Share #37 Posted September 2, 2013 It can certainly be an IR problem. Just test it out using a filter. What filter would I buy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 2, 2013 Share #38 Posted September 2, 2013 Same UV/IR cut filter that one would typically use on the M8. The internal IR filtration on the M9 is not always as effective as an external filter. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted September 2, 2013 Share #39 Posted September 2, 2013 It can certainly be an IR problem. Just test it out using a filter. What filter would I buy? Here's the Leica IR cut filter. There many other choices as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share #40 Posted October 29, 2013 Here's the Leica IR cut filter. There many other choices as well. Bought 3 NiR cut filters. They did nothing. Sent camera back to Leica last week. I expect them to say there is nothing wrong with it. I suspect the real problem is that the M9 is bad with skin tones. But we will see what happens... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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