tomasis7 Posted August 21, 2013 Share #1 Posted August 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) hello! I didnt found a thread there users compare iso pushability and comparison of ccd/cmos. Mallands thread inspired me how flexible CCD sensor it is. Maybe it is not fair to create a thread when I still decided to buy used M9 despite my passionate hate for rear back layout if some remember it I see that one could get M9 less than half of price of new M. That's why I decided to go that route and wait for used M to replace the m9. Hence the interest of comparison of both sensors here in the forum. I would love to see pictures there it shows the limits of pushing images 2-4 stops in both colors and bw. Also hear your opinions of you who have opportunity to test both cameras and like handheld night shooting like me. I know the Monochrome is very nice camera but I afford to have single camera. I think the color sensor would offer flexible options for both artistic and pro applications. One never knows that before or later I end up switching to MM but with M rear layout I accept that the opinions are personal, not necessarily scientific and I rather avoid the quarrel over that which sensor is better or so. Just some picture evidence of 4 stops push trickery of both sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 21, 2013 Posted August 21, 2013 Hi tomasis7, Take a look here M and M9 in pushing Iso 2-4stops(!) and colors/bw comparison. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pedaes Posted August 21, 2013 Share #2 Posted August 21, 2013 Having made your choice enjoy. The M9 is a fine camera, and I still enjoy using mine on days when I know I will not miss the benefits the M delivers.. Don't look for answers you may not like, as good as M9 is, M is better right now, and will presumably become more so with firmware updates.IMHO, any comparisons are a waste of time until firmware improvements have played out and unless you are genuinely in market for one or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 21, 2013 Share #3 Posted August 21, 2013 The M240 doesn't need a firmware update to lose such a contest of ugliness if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted August 21, 2013 To make the matter more confusing. I could continue my beaten rd-1 with ccd sensor until Leica releases M v2 that makes people to dump M v1. I think that having two cameras with ccd sensors may be overkill when I hardly live without 1.0x vf and ergonomics. That is it if I dont suffer of GAS. R-d1 celebrates 10 years next year spring. It must be record for me with anti-gas syndrome in digital camera world. When LR4/5 is improved, I will try out push stops of Nikon D60 sensor and see what kind of pictures it can deliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted August 21, 2013 The M240 doesn't need a firmware update to lose such a contest of ugliness if you ask me. so colors of cmos are ugly for you? I've been reading a little of debate about filming cameras re choice ccd vs cmos. Ikonoskop and digital Bolex D16 seem deliver very nice videos. D16 is based on ccd sensor and delivers 12bit color & 4:4:4 rgb. That would be nice companion to still picture ccd cameras. I dont have idea what kind of specs M9 delivers re color depth and rgb color pattern. How about b&w, lct? gradiation, banding, dr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 21, 2013 Share #6 Posted August 21, 2013 R-D1 user here since the beginning (2004) and proud to be so! I've been using both CMOS and CCD cams in 10+ years (R-D1, R-D1s, M8.2, 5D, D70, D300, M240 and so on) and all i can say is the sensor makes no sigificant difference color wise but a lot of difference in noise rendition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted August 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) R-d1 bro! I had D70 before. so I must using the same sensor far longer than I thought. No big differences, ok but it is still worth to wait for cmos re b&w iso push-ability? Significant advantage over ccd? it may not be good as MM at theoretical 6400 or above but I'm flexible and like grainy look as I like Trix very much and could use efex preset or something. With good dr, gradiation, minimal banding it get sorted out. I hear that ccd gives organic look similar to films. Aesthetics still play role for me. The reason for looking at m9 because I could use 25mm as it is i.e 25mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 21, 2013 Share #8 Posted August 21, 2013 D70 bro as well! Great little cam with its weak AA filter but i got a lot of moiré with it as well. Anyway, i have no experience of pushing. When i shoot in low light i choose a CMOS cam that's all. Digital noise in black and white OK to some extent but in color, well let's just say that it is not my cup of tea. As for the organic CCD vs plasticky CMOS debate, i find it so stupid that i prefer not expanding on it sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted August 22, 2013 Share #9 Posted August 22, 2013 I've not got any pushed samples for post but I can say files from my M can take far more adjustment in Lightroom 5 than I used to be able to get with M9 files. It's a bit like night and day. The M files just take pretty much all you can through at them but the M9's would degrade pretty fast if you weren't careful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted August 22, 2013 As for the organic CCD vs plasticky CMOS debate, i find it so stupid that i prefer not expanding on it sorry. your point is taken cmos blows out ccd of socks on pushing iso b&w department in other words? I've not got any pushed samples for post but I can say files from my M can take far more adjustment in Lightroom 5 than I used to be able to get with M9 files. It's a bit like night and day. The M files just take pretty much all you can through at them but the M9's would degrade pretty fast if you weren't careful. thats interesting! do you notice banding in b&w or color? Im using Camera Raw 6.7 and notice banding on my rd1 pushed by 4 stops at iso 400 it may be sensor/firmware as well. the picture example http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2484075-post43.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 22, 2013 Share #11 Posted August 22, 2013 ...cmos blows out ccd of socks on pushing iso b&w department in other words? ... It's just that i don't need pushing with CMOS sensors. In BW the M240 is almost too clean at 6400 iso. It has not the cleanest sensor though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 24, 2013 Share #12 Posted August 24, 2013 R-D1 user here since the beginning (2004) and proud to be so! I've been using both CMOS and CCD cams in 10+ years (R-D1, R-D1s, M8.2, 5D, D70, D300, M240 and so on) and all i can say is the sensor makes no sigificant difference color wise but a lot of difference in noise rendition. Absolutely Leica engineers "play" with the colors to differentiate their camera. Use Adobe profile editor to get them back where they belong if you do not like the choices someone else makes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted August 25, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted August 25, 2013 Absolutely Leica engineers "play" with the colors to differentiate their camera. Use Adobe profile editor to get them back where they belong if you do not like the choices someone else makes. do you mean the colors are identical after profiling? why should leica engineers play with colors if it is supposed to "harm" reality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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