ajthornbury Posted August 14, 2014 Share #81 Posted August 14, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Any one using the new Leica C yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted August 14, 2014 Share #82 Posted August 14, 2014 I have been for the last few weeks but it has now gone off to my wife in the UK to replace her V-Lux 20. It’s OK and the out of camera JPEG’s are quite impressive, with good colours and lens correction. This was important, as my wife thinks RAW is uncooked meat. Low light performance is a lot better than the V-Lux. The only disappointing feature is the EVF which to be blunt, is poor. It is very small, quite low definition and a bit dim. It is worse than I remember the EVF being on my Digilux 2 and that is getting on for 10 years ago. From using the VF-2 on my M240 and more particularly the VF-4 on my Olympus EP-5, I know just how good EVF’s can be. I know there are size limitations on the C112, but I thought that a modern OLED screen could have been a better performer. I don’t think the C uses an OLED EVF screen, which given the price differential to the mechanically very similar Panasonic LF-1, could have been and maybe should have been a distinguishing feature. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted August 15, 2014 Share #83 Posted August 15, 2014 Having used it now since November and almost exclusively since May, it is a mighty workhorse in a small package. I do not find the EVF as disappointing as Wilson, or as bad as the digilux2, but YMMV. I do wish my X1 had an EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted August 15, 2014 Share #84 Posted August 15, 2014 You can buy the Panasonic LF 1 for £169 now from digital rev which makes the Leica pricing seem excessive to say the least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 16, 2014 Share #85 Posted August 16, 2014 I had one, but it disappeared into my wife's bag. She has taken many beautiful images with it and even when shooting shots next to me without the C on a tripod and with me using a tripod with my M, it takes quite surprisingly very good images. I sometimes wonder if my US$10k kit is worth it when I see what "her" $600 kit accomplishes. Its low light capabilities are not to be overlooked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 17, 2014 Share #86 Posted August 17, 2014 I had one, but it disappeared into my wife's bag. She has taken many beautiful images with it and even when shooting shots next to me without the C on a tripod and with me using a tripod with my M, it takes quite surprisingly very good images. I sometimes wonder if my US$10k kit is worth it when I see what "her" $600 kit accomplishes. Its low light capabilities are not to be overlooked. Maybe she has more skill than money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted August 17, 2014 Share #87 Posted August 17, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) You can buy the Panasonic LF 1 for £169 now from digital rev which makes the Leica pricing seem excessive to say the least But, is it the same camera? I understand correctly or incorrectly that Leica tweak their processing! And have stricter QC.. Who knows!!? Regards, L.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 17, 2014 Share #88 Posted August 17, 2014 Having used it now since November and almost exclusively since May, it is a mighty workhorse in a small package. I do not find the EVF as disappointing as Wilson, or as bad as the digilux2, but YMMV. I do wish my X1 had an EVF. I wonder if I found the EVF poor because I wear glasses and they hold my eye further away from the back of the EVF. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 17, 2014 Share #89 Posted August 17, 2014 I wonder if I found the EVF poor because I wear glasses and they hold my eye further away from the back of the EVF. Wilson I'd say that is 25% of the equation the same as me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 17, 2014 Share #90 Posted August 17, 2014 I'd say that is 25% of the equation the same as me. I have to admit I did not get around to playing with the EVF brightness, as it was not my camera and I was leaving it to my wife to select her own settings. I have been told off before for fiddling around with the base settings Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajthornbury Posted August 17, 2014 Share #91 Posted August 17, 2014 Have now changed my D-lux 5 for a new C type, I find the EVF more useable than the EVF2 I had on my D-Lux5. Images are as good as the D-Lux5, especially at 800 iso. The manual settings using the lens barrel ring make changing parameters easy. The EVF on the C can be adjusted for diopter using the little lever to the leftAltogether I prefer it to the D-Lux5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted August 17, 2014 Share #92 Posted August 17, 2014 But, is it the same camera? I understand correctly or incorrectly that Leica tweak their processing! And have stricter QC.. Who knows!!?Regards, L.. I don't think Leica quality control has much credibility based on some of the feedback on this forum with regards even $10,000 lens havering to be returned repeatedly and faults that clearly should have been detected in the QC process.. There is endless debate about the minor variations in software, but if you start at the point of shooting raw then you can bypass that, if it existed. For some people the potential inclusion of software,( if Lightroom is included might be worth it to them), but the actual glass and internal mechanics are the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted August 19, 2014 Share #93 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't think Leica quality control has much credibility based on some of the feedback on this forum with regards even $10,000 lens havering to be returned repeatedly and faults that clearly should have been detected in the QC process.. There is endless debate about the minor variations in software, but if you start at the point of shooting raw then you can bypass that, if it existed. For some people the potential inclusion of software,( if Lightroom is included might be worth it to them), but the actual glass and internal mechanics are the same. And exactly how many bad feedback stories are you referring to when concluding that Leica's credibility is so poor … and what is the actual % compared to all the good feedback? And please bear in mind that Leica seldom have the opportunity to relate their side of any alleged QC / QA issues. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted August 19, 2014 Share #94 Posted August 19, 2014 There is nothing at all to prevent them posting on here. If they are proud of their record of reliability, failue rate, service times and turnaround etc, then I'm sure they'd want to take the opportunity to publish the actual figures and end any potential speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 19, 2014 Share #95 Posted August 19, 2014 Dunk, I was not impressed with my new Noctilux that was so out of adjustment, that it took me all of 10 seconds to detect it and no, it could not have been due to any rough handling en route to me. Then I had the M240 which was returned to me after the lug repair, that constantly took movies as soon as you mounted a lens. I could go on with further instances of poor QC at Leica. The impression I get is that QC simply consists of signing the card and no actual checking is done, once an item has left the production area. Now that Leica seems to have sorted out Customer Service, I think QC is the next area which needs a serious bit of senior management oversight. My comment at the time on my Noctilux was “who checked this and signed off on it, Mr. Magoo?” Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted August 19, 2014 Share #96 Posted August 19, 2014 Wilson, The point I'm endeavouring to make is that a few/some occasional QA issues do not mean that all Leica products are faulty. I've experienced some Leica QA issues myself but as a % of all the Leica products purchased over more than 25 years it is a very small proportion. No company can ever be 100% efficient. Even NASA has its box office failures despite taking more than reasonable belt and braces precautions to prevent them. And regarding Leica customer service, I have today experienced exemplary cooperation and service from Leica Mayfair - more about which will be documented in due course. Regards dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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