Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 17, 2013 Share #21 Â Posted August 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) How many here do not own both the APO 50 and the Noctilux?probably none:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted August 18, 2013 Share #22 Â Posted August 18, 2013 I own both and offer my comments based on their use on my M and MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 18, 2013 Share #23 Â Posted August 18, 2013 probably none:D Â Do you mean probably everyone does not own both lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 19, 2013 Share #24 Â Posted August 19, 2013 I own both and offer my comments based on their use on my M and MM. I know you do I was meaning that many folk on this forum like to get the pennies worth on hear say not on fact:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymz007 Posted January 23, 2015 Share #25 Â Posted January 23, 2015 I just traded my Noct 0.95 for the 50 APO. I am very happy with the decision. Â The 50 APO renders images like no other. The images look almost like medium format. When first getting the M240 didn't realize the difference with my M9 but as time past on I could see the difference. I shoot with 50 lux and 35 lux most of the time and the Noct is a pain in the butt to lug around. Â Since getting the M-P with the 50 APO the images have that pop and the colors are just really awesome. Â I believe that the 50 APO is meant to be married to the M240. The M240 craves for a high res lens. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 23, 2015 Share #26 Â Posted January 23, 2015 I just traded my Noct 0.95 for the 50 APO. I am very happy with the decision. Â The 50 APO renders images like no other. The images look almost like medium format. When first getting the M240 didn't realize the difference with my M9 but as time past on I could see the difference. I shoot with 50 lux and 35 lux most of the time and the Noct is a pain in the butt to lug around. Â Since getting the M-P with the 50 APO the images have that pop and the colors are just really awesome. Â I believe that the 50 APO is meant to be married to the M240. The M240 craves for a high res lens. Just my opinion. Big mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 24, 2015 Share #27 Â Posted January 24, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Noctilux versions? The only possible distinguishing quality is their OOF which is better with a 75mm Summilux. Speed of the lens is moot given the better ISO of digital. Â For film the Noctilux .95 is miraculous. For digital it is a waste of money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faranstudio Posted January 24, 2015 Share #28 Â Posted January 24, 2015 I use 50 APO exclusively with MM. Nocti 0.95 goes with M240 which is easier to inspect focus when you shoot wide open on the screen. In addition I use 1.4 magnifier on M240 for Nocti 0.95 or in some cases EVF. Â I recently added 75 1.4 to my lineup which has a very similar look to Nocti 0.95 when you shoot wide open at f1.4. This can be another option if you plan to add semi tele to your collection but still a bit heavy. Â 50 APO is very sharp, I use it for architecture a lot + shorter focus distance makes it a nice portrait lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 24, 2015 Share #29  Posted January 24, 2015 Big mistake  Maybe not the decision you would make, but not necessarily a mistake for anyone else, especially if they can have (afford) only one.  The mistake may be in selling nearly any Leica lens. Frequently that results in seller's remorse.  As an aside I got an Apo 50 last year and it rarely leaves my M240 body. But I have not ever had a Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delcredere Posted January 24, 2015 Share #30 Â Posted January 24, 2015 I had a Noctilux 1.0 E58, Noctilux 0.95, and a 50 1.4 ASPH. I sold the 1.4 and with the proceeds very recently acquired the 50 APO throwing into the deal the E58 and some extra cash. So now I just have the 0.95 and the APO. I am happy with what I have done and believe I have two superb lenses that do rather different things. I particularly value the Noctilux for very low light situations and, though these are early days, love the look of the APO when light is reasonably good - especially the rendition of colours with the 240 and tones with the MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted January 24, 2015 Share #31 Â Posted January 24, 2015 ...Frequently that results in seller's remorse. Â A lot more than "frequently", if this forum is any indicator. Â s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaPassion Posted January 24, 2015 Share #32 Â Posted January 24, 2015 When I switched to M digital, I sold all my R bodies and lenses (19mm to 560mm). I have not regretted the decision for a second. That said, I will never sell a M lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 24, 2015 Share #33 Â Posted January 24, 2015 I also like the APO on the M a lot. In earlier times I allways used a 50/1.4asph. Later I added a Noctilux 0.95. I liked the rendering and color but found out that I did not use f0.95 that often and if so its not easy to nail. I also find the Nocti at the limit in regards of weight for the M. SO I sold the Nocti. After getting a 50 APO I have rarely used the 50/1.4. With the M I dont really often feel to need faster than f2.0 in a 50mm lens. Also f2.0 on FF gives me shallow enough DOF (for my taste) at50mm. I agree the 50 APO is not only sharp and has a smooth but not boring bokeh, it also delivers excellent color (saturation), it has become my favorite lens on the M type240. (Besides the 35Summicron asph). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted January 25, 2015 Share #34 Â Posted January 25, 2015 Although the Noctilux 0.95 clearly has a uniqueness about it, the 50 APO is quite stunning as an all around lens. Most of us won't use the Noctilux frequently because it is heavy and only focuses down to 1 m whereas the 50 goes down to 0.7 m. As someone who has also used the Nocti 0.95, 50 lux 1.4 ASPH, 35 FLE and Cron, as well as top of the line longer and wider M lenses, the 50 APO is the obvious best IMHO. Â The 50 APO is simply extraordinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 25, 2015 Share #35 Â Posted January 25, 2015 The only thing that's keeping me from going through with it is thinking that the effects will perhaps be too sharp and lose that "Leica" effect that I love so dearly about the noctilux. Â I don't own either, but from what I've seen, you may indeed get disappointed having lost your Noctilux for this reason. These are totally different lenses with a totally different philosophy so to speak. Apart from the fact that most Leica lens trade-ins lead to regret in the end and to financial loss if you have to rebuy the Noctilux, it is way better to buy the cheap and stunning Elmar 50 to accompany your Noctilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 25, 2015 Share #36 Â Posted January 25, 2015 You'll end up with both anyway, so the only way out is to start saving some $$ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted January 25, 2015 Share #37 Â Posted January 25, 2015 Interesting discussion. I use a 50lux asph and the 75lux both with my M240. My idea was adding a 1.0Nocti. I tested the 1.0 and the 0.95 and I liked the 1.0 more because the rendering is more different to the 50lux. Now it dounds here, that an ither way could be stay with 75lux and sell 50lux for the 50Apo. So I have a classic Mandler and a modern one. What do You think ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_hoffman Posted January 25, 2015 Share #38 Â Posted January 25, 2015 I'm confused. Why would anyone pay $8,250.00 for a 50mm f2 lens? Â I mean, I love a good 50 but what's the deal with this lens? It's too clinical for me, maybe it's just the price but an amazing 'Cron from 2002 is $7,000.00 less. The best 50 ever, wasn't it? Guess not anymore.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 25, 2015 Share #39 Â Posted January 25, 2015 I think Zeiss may be working on a new ZM 50/2 APO. Considering the performance of the latest ZM 35/1.4, the answer to the question in the subject could be a big NO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted January 25, 2015 Share #40 Â Posted January 25, 2015 If you want edge-to-edge sharpness, a flat image field, and absence of aberrations the APO is one of the few Leica lenses that will deliver. Â If you want character (pleasing aberrations) or need greater isolation or need to shoot at higher shutter speeds, then you have the choice of faster lenses. Â Finally, price and ergonomics (weight, viewfinder blockage) will also be factors. No point in getting a Noctilux if you can't be bothered to carry it with you. Â So the two lenses are not direct substitutes for each other. They meet different needs and preferences. For a bit of everything, people tend to choose the Summilux and live with the mid-field (relative) weakness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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