colonel Posted February 23, 2014 Share #201 Posted February 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) From which we may conclude that you are a dentist? Not sure about this dentist stuff My brother is a dentist and there is nothing wrong with him, except he goes off every third Sunday to shoot 18th century firearms! The fact is that, unlike an expensive watch, or rolls Royce, it's not just enough being fairly well off to afford a Leica, you also have to know photography quite well. Personally I know people not that rich who spend far more on golf clubs, alcohol or boats. Any decent FF DSLR (or A7) plus three good lenses is already the cost of a M with one good lens. Less is more, as they say ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 23, 2014 Posted February 23, 2014 Hi colonel, Take a look here Leica M 240 what is going on. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 23, 2014 Share #202 Posted February 23, 2014 Leica is -and as far as i can tell wants to be- a dentist's camera. If this wasn't a corporate orientation, at the very least it's how I've felt the few times I went to the official Leica boutiques in paris. On another Leica forum, a new member showed up a few years ago : the Leica salesman had sold him a summilux 21mm as the only lens to use with his M9p The salesman said it was the most versatile!! A lens that doesn't even have framelines in the viewfinder. What to think of a company that does that? Leica has changed since the sixties. It's under new management and new owners, we shouldn't be surprised. I'm just happy Leica is still around, and let's face it : we owe it to the dentists. I'm thankfull there are rich guys buying the cameras and and lenses I'll be shooting in two years when they sell it. I'm not sorry the president of Leica has to answer emails about dusty sensors,he got what he wished for. Please tell us more about this Leica Company 'salesman' who allegedly sold a 21mm Summilux to a member on another forum. Did / does the salesman actually work for Leica Camera AG? Maybe said member joined the wrong forum? If he'd joined The Leica Forum ... instead of some other Leica forum … he might have received better advice as to which lens to use with his M9-P. And … I do not understand your comment, " … and let's face it : we owe it to the dentists. " … Please explain. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 23, 2014 Share #203 Posted February 23, 2014 dkpeterborough> I think I made it clear in my post that I have no proof this is corporate credo : "If this wasn't a corporate orientation, at the very least it's how I've felt the few times I went to the official Leica boutiques in paris" But I'll say it in other words : I don't know what Leica AG is up to, do you? untill then we're both speculating and I could be right, couldn't I? Yes, the sales guy purposely selling a very specialised lens to a client who just wants a first purchase into the system may not be in Leica Ag's official guidelines, but it did happen, and at a Leica store, not just a camera store that happens to sell Leica. I don't know how these places are operated, but my assumptions as a client is that when I go to one of those, I'm pretty much buying directly from Leica. I have yet to hear the same story about canon or sony, like a guy would buy a new 5DIII and walk out with a 17mm tilt/shift instead of the kit zoom... I meant "another leica forum" as opposed to this one. Why so dense? "We owe it to the dentists" means that If it were only for the few who owned Leicas before the Hermes days, the M would probably not exist anymore (and it did die a first time after the M5). Again, it's just assumptions since there's no way of knowing what could've happened.. but i could be right. ______________ My message has started a few reactions... I would hate my intentions to be misinterpreted ; I wasn't attacking dentists (or any other professionnals that buy a Leica "because they can") but rather pointing out the absurdity of "serious photographers" who lament having to share the brand with newcomers. And no I'm not a dentist, when I said "I may well be" I meant : I'm a guy who can afford a Leica, and I don't have a 20 years old history with the brand. I'm a Leica user of the "Dr Kauffman Generation" if you will... and colonel > you are right, Leica isn't the only camera that's expensive, but it is the one that's known for it. When the Full frame Sony with a fixed 35mm came out at 3000+ euros, a lot of people were shocked a japanese camera could be that pricy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 23, 2014 Share #204 Posted February 23, 2014 When is the date? I’d be happy to… Would you throw in a few crowns and any necessary endodontics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendriphile Posted February 24, 2014 Share #205 Posted February 24, 2014 The quintessential Leica thread: Pictures of Cats taken by Dentists! Only kidding!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 24, 2014 Share #206 Posted February 24, 2014 Leica is -and as far as i can tell wants to be- a dentist's camera. If this wasn't a corporate orientation, at the very least it's how I've felt the few times I went to the official Leica boutiques in paris. On another Leica forum, a new member showed up a few years ago : the Leica salesman had sold him a summilux 21mm as the only lens to use with his M9p The salesman said it was the most versatile!! A lens that doesn't even have framelines in the viewfinder. What to think of a company that does that? Leica has changed since the sixties. It's under new management and new owners, we shouldn't be surprised. I'm just happy Leica is still around, and let's face it : we owe it to the dentists. I'm thankfull there are rich guys buying the cameras and and lenses I'll be shooting in two years when they sell it. I'm not sorry the president of Leica has to answer emails about dusty sensors,he got what he wished for. We could start a poll: " What's the average income of a Leica owner. " To stay objective .Maybe it's not a dentist's camera after all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2014 Share #207 Posted February 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would you throw in a few crowns and any necessary endodontics? It's now or never! (Elvis record playing during the ceremony) Waddamien: throw them in?? You'll honeymoon in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvin Posted March 12, 2014 Share #208 Posted March 12, 2014 A stupid question from a RF noob like myself. I bought a new M last month with a brand new 35mm lens. Assembled the lens in the shop and had never removed it from the camera. I wasn't paying too much attention on the dust issue on sensor because it's brand new until two days ago. I noticed there were few spots on those pictures taken under high ISO. I am just wondering if it is possible for dusts to get into the M240 without removing the lens? Thanks for reading and apologise for my English. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 12, 2014 Share #209 Posted March 12, 2014 Until the move of the assembly line to Wetzlar is complete, later this year, M240’s are not assembled under clean room conditions in Solms. To many folks surprise when they go round Solms, the assembly staff are not wearing hair covering or gloves, unlike most eastern world facilities making high end electronics. What seems to happen is that a certain amount of small manufacturing dust and debris shakes loose over the first few weeks and gravitates to the sensor, which is charged and therefore attracts electrostatically. There is also the mysterious substance, colloquially know here as Solms Goblin Snot, which is a sticky, greasy substance which forms smeary dots on the sensor for the first thousand or so shutter actuations. Leica assure us this is not lubricant but don’t say what it actually is. It may be condensate of plasticiser from from the plastic inner body and internals of the camera. It gets much better after a few months and hundreds of actuations. Wet cleaning is the only way to get rid of it. There is a “sticky” at the top of this section of the forum and/or the M9 forum on sensor cleaning. If you are not confident, don’t do it until someone who knows how to do it (your Leica dealer) has shown you how. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 12, 2014 Share #210 Posted March 12, 2014 I am just wondering if it is possible for dusts to get into the M (Typ 240) without removing the lens? Unlikely but not impossible. Moreover, dust particles may have been inside the camera from the beginning, move around, and eventually end up on the sensor's surface. I noticed there were few spots on those pictures taken under high ISO. High ISO? Umm ... are you sure your "spots" really are dust? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 12, 2014 Share #211 Posted March 12, 2014 What if you just picked up a brand new car from your dealer. Are you ok with driving straight to a car wash right after paying thousands of $$$, I bought a new Honda CRX Si once - jet black, sharp looking little car. When I went to pick it up, it was badly in need of a wash. I was a little irritated that the dealership could not be bothered to wash the car after my spending $10,000+ (it was a long while ago) but I did not say anything. When I took it to the car wash and washed it myself, I found out why they hadn't washed it: There was a foot long scratch in the clear coat that the schmutz on the car had concealed. Back to the dealer I went to inform them of the problem and that they would be repainting the door at no cost to me - which they did. I was a bit suprised that a dealership with such low ethical standards would readily agree to my demand for satisfaction. I never bought another car from that dealer. Screw me once, shame on you; screw me twice, shame on me. OK, back to dirty sensors... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundraline Posted March 12, 2014 Share #212 Posted March 12, 2014 You might say the same of doctors. Dentists are doctors too (and no, I am not a dentist or a chiropractor). Doctors may well form the largest single group of Leica buyers. The reason for that is obvious: Leica cameras are expensive, and doctors (or at least many of them) have money (unless they are doctors in Canada or the Netherlands, that is). And there is certainly nothing wrong with doctors who have money spending it on Leica cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted March 12, 2014 Share #213 Posted March 12, 2014 Some of us Leica buyers don't even have a job. I have used Leica since 1974, and nothing is going to stop me using / trading up Leicas until I die. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 12, 2014 Share #214 Posted March 12, 2014 Dentists are doctors too (and no, I am not a dentist or a chiropractor). Doctors may well form the largest single group of Leica buyers. The reason for that is obvious: Leica cameras are expensive, and doctors (or at least many of them) have money (unless they are doctors in Canada or the Netherlands, that is). And there is certainly nothing wrong with doctors who have money spending it on Leica cameras. And dentists do have a penchant for nice tools. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 12, 2014 Share #215 Posted March 12, 2014 I have just bought myself a set of A+F Swiss jewellers screwdrivers from 0.5mm upwards. There is nothing like a nice tool! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 12, 2014 Share #216 Posted March 12, 2014 Wilson, flat blade or cross head as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 12, 2014 Share #217 Posted March 12, 2014 Doctors may well form the largest single group of Leica buyers. A ludicrous, unsubstantiated assertion. Fortunately, there are many other ways to earn enough money to buy a Leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvin Posted March 12, 2014 Share #218 Posted March 12, 2014 Unlikely but not impossible. Moreover, dust particles may have been inside the camera from the beginning, move around, and eventually end up on the sensor's surface. High ISO? Umm ... are you sure your "spots" really are dust? yeah......It appeared at the same spot in every photos. Anyway, I will have to clean it and see. Thanks for answering it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted March 12, 2014 Share #219 Posted March 12, 2014 Even if he is as rich as Eric Clapton! If you're as rich as Eric Clapton you can afford to hire someone to remove your lenscap. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 12, 2014 Share #220 Posted March 12, 2014 Mark, I have a very nice little Hama kit in a leather case, which has a ball race top brass handle with a collet chuck on the end. There are then a set of flat blade, cross head and torx long shafted micro-blades to fit in it. However the flat blades only go down to 1.5mm, which is not small enough for some camera and watch screws. I therefore bought the small size A+F kit covering 0.5mm to 1.3mm. I would have bought Bergeon, as I think they are even nicer than A+F but they did not do a small sizes kit. I also contacted Hama to see if they did a set of tri-lobe and penta-lobe blades for their set but they don’t. I have ended up buying a Silverline set of the tri and penta-lobe micro-screwdrivers (for working on Apple equipment) but they are very far from nice quality. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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