George James Posted November 24, 2013 Share #21 Posted November 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rolo, This shop, Harrison Cameras is advertising the Monochrom at £4999, but conveniently for them they are out of stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 24, 2013 Posted November 24, 2013 Hi George James, Take a look here Monochrom price?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
wattsy Posted November 24, 2013 Share #22 Posted November 24, 2013 They did have stock at that price (as have Wilkinsons) so the suggestion that it is "convenient" is somewhat off the mark. Harrison's are a reputable dealer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted November 24, 2013 Share #23 Posted November 24, 2013 I have a feeling that prices of new cameras are easing slightly. This might be the result of increasing competition from cameras perceived by some as strong competitors. Competition? There is no competition for the Monochrom. Compared to the zillions of digital color cameras, to my knowledge only 4 monochromatic cameras have ever made it to the market: the Kodak DCS 760M, the P45+ Achromat by Phase One and its successor, and the Leica MM. Not really a great pool of alternatives! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talat Posted November 24, 2013 Share #24 Posted November 24, 2013 Can you point us in that direction. I'm seeing £5,900+ only. Hi Gary both Harrison's and Wilkinsons are advertising the MM for £4999...I do know that Stephens in Manchester have stock and they price match other Leica dealers. David the owner of Stephens is a fantastic guy to deal with, at least I've found him to be. He has loaned me the M240 on 2 separate weekends to test drive, but then again I have spent some money with him All the same he knows how to look after his customers the old fashioned way. Give Stephens a call and speak to David or Richard. On another note...I've been following your work on Flickr for a number of years and think it's fantastic...especially the Goodwood Festival series, oh and I've seen you around Manchester walking the streets with the Rollie hanging from your neck ;-D. I'll say hello next time I see you so don't look surprised Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted November 24, 2013 Share #25 Posted November 24, 2013 Hi.On another note...I've been following your work on Flickr for a number of years and think it's fantastic...especially the Goodwood Festival series, oh and I've seen you around Manchester walking the streets with the Rollie hanging from your neck ;-D. I'll say hello next time I see you so don't look surprised Many thanks for the Flickr comment. Ha, don't hesitate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanD Posted November 24, 2013 Share #26 Posted November 24, 2013 Can you point us in that direction. I'm seeing £5,900+ only. I think there was one dealer in the North that had an ex-demo at that price. Strange how these rumours start... I actually have two MMs at the moment (its a long story). When one comes back from Solms, the other will be sold, either here or on the auction site. I'd expect to get around £4,200 for it. So its worth while keeping an eye open for one. btw if any one wants one LCE on the Strand (London) have a 2 month old mint MM for £5,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 24, 2013 Share #27 Posted November 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) My M240 came in the first batch, in early March. An amazing camera. I was never interested in the MM: I felt that I would miss the channel mixer flexibility for B&W conversions and couldn't be bothered with using filters anymore. However, last week came the opportunity to buy a mint, barely used MM (less than 1,000 actuations) at a price that was too good to pass - and I ended up taking the plunge. It's only been a few days with the camera now, still finding my way through post-processing techniques (and I do not intend to use filters, other than perhaps, NDs), but... boy, I'm hooked! Do I wish it had the M240 shutter? Sure. And a better LCD? Of course. And an EVF to help with wides and/or very low-light situations? Yes, again. And I won't even mention the random lock-up in discreet mode, which happens to be my usual default shutter setting. BUT, as many others have said and written before me, the pleasure of working in BW only and the quality of the files delivered by the MM far outweigh its quirks. Bottom line: if you are not convinced by the M240 and end up converting a good share of your pictures in B&W, get the Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 24, 2013 Share #28 Posted November 24, 2013 Strange how these rumours start... What rumour? £4999 is the price that at least two dealers (that I know of) are selling the Monochrom for. Not ex-demo but regular new stock. It's a good price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted November 24, 2013 Share #29 Posted November 24, 2013 Bottom line: if you are not convinced by the M240 and end up converting a good share of your pictures in B&W, get the Monochrom. And even if you are convinced... get the Monochrom anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talat Posted November 25, 2013 Share #30 Posted November 25, 2013 And even if you are convinced... get the Monochrom anyway I must admit I do convert a lot to b&w...but I am amazed that leica released the MM with the same operational quirks as the M9, having said that I've learned to live with them on my M9, though that's not really the answer and we shouldn't really have to especially in 2013. My thoughts...I love the feel of the new M240, in the hand, in isolation, the 100g extra weight doesn't feel at all heavier, definitely feels better built, although the base plate doesn't feel as tight as it is on my M9, the M240 plate had slight play in it. The shutter feels better, and is quieter, but not by much, the rangefinder is definitely easier to focus with(I found I could focus more precisely and much quicker. I'm over 40 and use a diopter correction on the M9, and even then find that I am slower with the M9 than with the M240 without diopter. I practice daily so hope to improve), I feel indifferent about the framelines but did like the lever just for nostalgic reasons , the screen is a definite welcome, having come from using Nikons and Canons I was spoilt with the 3" hi pixel screens, the new processing speed is better but not up there with the best, but that doesn't matter to me as a Leica M is not about machine gunning. The only problem I had with the M240 was with the evf attached which forced a glaring WB problem, otherwise the order would have been in and I would've been the proud owner of a new M240. Do I keep the M9, as I do need colour as well and live with it's quirks and buy the MM to use alongside it. Or sell the M9 and buy the new M240 with it's weather sealing and the rest of its improvements and hope the WB issue will finally be resolved, and use that alongside the MM? Decisions Decisions By the way thank you all for the warm welcome and your own views and thoughts on this subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted November 25, 2013 Share #31 Posted November 25, 2013 Do I keep the M9, as I do need colour as well and live with it's quirks and buy the MM to use alongside it. Or sell the M9 and buy the new M240 with it's weather sealing and the rest of its improvements and hope the WB issue will finally be resolved, and use that alongside the MM? Decisions Decisions Personally, I'd keep the M9, buy the MM, and look out for possible M240 alternatives from Japan in 2014. The Sony A7® may not quite fit the bill yet as an M replacement despite what many had hoped for, but who knows what the Japanese are cooking for next year. I would feel a bit uneasy sinking that kind of money into a new M at this point in time considering what's going on elsewhere, and considering that I'd already have a color solution with the M9. Regarding the MM, I'd look out for an mint used sample rather than a new one. Looking at the prices of used MMs on eBay and some of the forums, a first year depreciation of almost 1/3 of list price would not warrant buying new for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted November 26, 2013 Share #32 Posted November 26, 2013 Regarding the MM, I'd look out for an mint used sample rather than a new one. Looking at the prices of used MMs on eBay and some of the forums, a first year depreciation of almost 1/3 of list price would not warrant buying new for me. Dale Photographic in the North of England have a used one for sale for £3995. Ex++ condition, with box. No mention of actuations, and only a measly 1 month warranty. If we do the sums, and assume that the dealer deducts 20% for a commission sale, the seller will end up with £3196. That's 51% of the UK new RRP price of £6200 (which would have been the price paid until quite recently), for a camera that can at worst be 16-17 months old. Of course, it may have 100 000 actuations, But still most un-Leica like! However, for most (me included) my MM will be a long term tool to be used until I am too far gone to switch it on and bring it to my eye. There, I feel better for that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 26, 2013 Share #33 Posted November 26, 2013 Dale Photographic in the North of England have a used one for sale for £3995. Ex++ condition, with box. No mention of actuations, and only a measly 1 month warranty. Measly indeed although it should still have at least 6 months of factory warranty remaining (I don't think this camera was shipping for many people until the summer of 2012). Leica are usually good at honouring the factory warranty, even if ownership has passed between individuals. They might also allow the buyer of this camera to purchase the optional extended warranty for a further 12 months cover (albeit at an eye watering €600+ cost:eek:). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talat Posted November 27, 2013 Share #34 Posted November 27, 2013 After reading over reviews and postings I've already read a 1000 times, and some new ones I've made the decision to buy a new MM, especially now that the price has dropped below the price of an M. I understand I could save a little more by buying 2nd hand but I will have a full Leica Passport warranty with a new on, which is important to me. Having waited on the new M earlier this year, and although initially not being overwhelmed when I "had a go" with it, I opted for a 2nd hand M9 from a reputable seller, it had 1600 actuations after 3 years use plus other accessories, and at a price I couldn't ignore. It was a great and cheaper way to kickstart my way into the world of Leica and rangefinder photography after many years using slurs/dslrs. It is inevitable in my mind that Leica will release an MM in an M240 body, and the M240 plus points highlighted will be most welcome, this will ship out most probably no earlier than 2015, but I can't wait that long so am going to put my money down on the current MM and learn to use that. It will give me time to better myself with the M9 and MM and give Leica time to hopefully iron out the quirks in the M240, the MM240/MM360 will also be with us, and I can upgrade then Maybe we'll see a medium format camera from Leica seeing their recent acquisition of Sinar and their foray into medium format territory. It all bodes well for the times ahead even though I won't be able to afford it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guido Posted November 27, 2013 Share #35 Posted November 27, 2013 After reading over reviews and postings I've already read a 1000 times, and some new ones I've made the decision to buy a new MM, Congratulations. Actually, you could have done worse... you could have looked at pixels of posted images you've already pixel-peeped 1000 times before. That happened to me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikiphoto Posted December 3, 2013 Share #36 Posted December 3, 2013 My dream team is an MM and for colour a Fujifilm X-Pro 1 and an X-E2. I have Fujinon lenses but also have a Metabones XF/M converter so I am very flexible, The Fujinon XF prime lenses are superb by the way and my Summicrons work wonderfully with the X-E2 especially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted December 3, 2013 Share #37 Posted December 3, 2013 Well the X-Pro 1 is going to be very cheap seeing as it seems that there will be a new version out in early 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikiphoto Posted December 3, 2013 Share #38 Posted December 3, 2013 Well the X-Pro 1 is going to be very cheap seeing as it seems that there will be a new version out in early 2014 Perhaps but there seem to be conflicting views on that. There is another significant feature update out on Thursday and some say they wouldn't be bothering if there was a new camera in the offing. The X-E2 is a great addition to my line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted December 3, 2013 Share #39 Posted December 3, 2013 Well time will tell - however, as for significant feature - don't forget that Fuji even recently released a very significant firmware update for their superseded x100 model. It seems that they don't abandon their older customers - Leica could pay some attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikiphoto Posted December 3, 2013 Share #40 Posted December 3, 2013 It seems that they don't abandon their older customers - Leica pay attention. That's very true. It seems to be firmly part of their business model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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