John McMaster Posted July 3, 2013 Share #21 Posted July 3, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting comment, John. Can you elaborate? I have never been one for long lenses and used a Canon 5D then the D800E with 80mm Summilux (I also have the 75mm) and 100mm APO Macro. When I got the D800E I got some other lenses but was underwhelmed by the quality..... With the M I can use those two R lenses plus the 70/180R (for staticish subjects), Nikon PB-4 bellows with 105mm Bellows-Nikkor etc as well as my M lenses... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Erik Gunst Lund Posted July 4, 2013 Share #22 Posted July 4, 2013 Well, yes the register distance is a restriction, but there are solutions possible, for some lenses, if you are willing to modify the Leica M lenses. Mirror lock up is possible with all the old Nikon fish eye lenses for instance, using live view, so this would work for a few of the 'normal' Leica M lenses that would be slim 'slow' enough, stripped from their M mount and fitted with a Nikon F mount. This would require a huge amount of work but doable. The fron selection of aperture a great help here. All of the 'long' focal length lenses 90mm and 135mm, have the glass in front of the Nikon F register distance, for instance the Voigtlander 90mm 3.5 APO Lanthar are identical optics for the Leica M and Nikon F mount versions. Again this would require a lot of work but doable. Tele Elmar 135mm 4 should be very easy, just adapt the length of the rear focusing helicoil part and swap the mount for a Nikon F. I have done many similar conversions, shortening lenses and changing mounts retaining perfect infinity for various projects for myself and friends. Canon FD to F, Minolta to F, Petri to F, Olympus to F, 42mm to F... So if you're a DIY Leica M lens lover there is a way, even on Nikon F... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted July 4, 2013 Share #23 Posted July 4, 2013 Two M lenses I quite regularly use on DSLRs from 4/3 to FF (Canon 5D) are the old Elmarit 90 and the Tele-Elmar 135. No need to violently adapt the helicoid, their heads screw off and into the Leica 16471J, which screws into an OTZFO, which bayonets into a Leica 14167 M to R adapter. From there, Leitax may help to get on to the Nikon. Adding a 16471J to the combo provides additional macro extension. How the lenses perform on a 36MP sensor conceived 60 years later, I have no idea. On the 5D's, 450D's and E-30's 12 MP they're great. Unlike with shorter lenses, the longer ones do not have the issue of sharply angled light rays arriving to the sensor plane. I always wonder how the cited mirrorless solutions without the specifically angled microlenses of the Ms or the Ricoh fare with anything wider than, say, 40mm. (Just recalling Sean Read's assessment of the Oly E-M5 in this regard.) At one point I was also toying with the idea of the Nikon 800E to replace the accumulated older bodies, but the file size and need to upgrade my entire computer hardware chain made me shudder. Cheers, Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2013 Share #24 Posted July 4, 2013 Why not MM for B&W and D800E for color? Great combo A bit bulky on the colour end if you don't do too much of it - and you need to double up in lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 4, 2013 Share #25 Posted July 4, 2013 To be fair, I used to feel the same. Thing is, it's not about the size of the sensor it's about the end result - it took me a long time to realise that. If everything else in the equation (handling, performance, image quality, optical quality) balances, the actual physical size of the sensor is of less importance. There is a pejorative aspect to the term "crop sensor" that results in a visceral dislike of the APS-C format. Gosh, Bill, methinks we could have had a much more pleasant exchange regarding the M8.2 if this had been part of your comment then. I mentioned the crop twice, and wondered why it generated no comment in return. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted July 4, 2013 Why not MM for B&W and D800E for color? Great combo Yes, that's what I'm thinking. The alternative was the M (typ 240), but it doesn't appeal - to achieve the longer reach, macro etc, the cost of acquiring the new camera and R glass, it all starts to look silly (though the camera takes M lenses as well). For the same coverage (80-400 & 60 macro), the entire Nikon system works out at less than 1/2 the price of Leica (not counting the delay in ever getting this stuff). That's based on: M (typ 240) USD 7,000 APO-Macro-Elmarit-R 100/2.8 USD 2,500 Vario-APO-Elmarit-R 70-180/2.8 USD 7,000 Total USD 16,500 and that's with 180mm at the long end. Adding 400mm with an APO Telyt Modular-R 400/2.8 adds 10,200 Euro ... The entire Nikon kit on B&H Photo USD 6,500 Now, if Leica genuinely moved into this space with sensible lenses, I might be interested. But the cost of secondhand R glass, and not having AF pretty much kills that idea. I guess the point is that SLR will always have its use, and the Leica M system is not (at the moment) meeting that need. Maybe the next M iteration might get me back into colour with Leica, but at the moment, just about everything I take is with my Monochrom. Don't get me wrong, I love that experience. My M9-P is for sale, but if I get no takers, I will happily keep it. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted July 5, 2013 Share #27 Posted July 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just à quick, low cost , corrigendum for the record: the heads of both 90 and 135 directly screw into the OTZFO for focus to infinity.The 16471J is an extension tube. Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted July 7, 2013 Share #28 Posted July 7, 2013 For the same coverage (80-400 & 60 macro), the entire Nikon system works out at less than 1/2 the price of Leica (not counting the delay in ever getting this stuff). That's based on: M (typ 240) USD 7,000 APO-Macro-Elmarit-R 100/2.8 USD 2,500 Vario-APO-Elmarit-R 70-180/2.8 USD 7,000 Total USD 16,500 and that's with 180mm at the long end. Adding 400mm with an APO Telyt Modular-R 400/2.8 adds 10,200 Euro ... The entire Nikon kit on B&H Photo USD 6,500 We all know that, but what cost basis can you justify your Monochrom and lenses compared to Nikon ;-) john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share #29 Posted July 7, 2013 We all know that, but what cost basis can you justify your Monochrom and lenses compared to Nikon ;-) john I don't even try. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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