Paul J Posted June 27, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Whoops. Fuji bought an equivilant of the X Vario today. Oh. It's interchangeable lenses too. Prices are £679 with kit zoom. and £599 for the body. Ouch Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207697-fuji-x-m1/?do=findComment&comment=2360098'>More sharing options...
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Ruhayat Posted June 27, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 27, 2013 The trouble is (for people like me who hate having to photoshop every photo), when you buy a digital camera, it comes with built-in "film" that has a certain look and "feel". So you're no longer just buying a camera, you're buying the whole package. If you like the look and colours that Fuji give you, their X line is fine. If you prefer Leica's rendition instead, then Leica's X line is the better choice. To each his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 27, 2013 Share #3 Posted June 27, 2013 And it has no viewfinder. And it cannot have an EVF. Whoops! Oh! Ouch! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted July 1, 2013 Share #4 Posted July 1, 2013 The trouble is (for people like me who hate having to photoshop every photo), when you buy a digital camera, it comes with built-in "film" that has a certain look and "feel". So you're no longer just buying a camera, you're buying the whole package. If you like the look and colours that Fuji give you, their X line is fine. If you prefer Leica's rendition instead, then Leica's X line is the better choice. To each his own. Yes, very true, but Fuji offers a choice of looks based on a the film palette: Astia, Provia, Velvia. You are not limited to just one option. I don't think you need too many choices but that does look like a useful approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted July 1, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 1, 2013 And it has no viewfinder.And it cannot have an EVF. Fuji's X-Pro1 has both (EVF & OVF) built-in. Fuji is offering some good options with this series of cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2013 Share #6 Posted July 1, 2013 No rangefinder in a larger APS package thanks no thanks but i'll check how its little sisters work when they have a split image focus screen if any as i'm still dreaming about a digital CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 1, 2013 Share #7 Posted July 1, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) No rangefinder in a larger APS package thanks no thanks but i'll check how its little sisters work when they have a split image focus screen if any as i'm still dreaming about a digital CL. I think you're being unnecessarily patronizing about an intentionally broad range of cameras from Fuji - they're doing their best to offer very good cameras across a wide spectrum of target users. They've also been extremely active in improving the cameras that users already have in their hands, by issuing fixes and improvements through numerous firmware updates. Instead of making (and breaking) empty promises about 'perpetual upgrades' they've simply got on with the job of making better and better cameras and lenses, while not forgetting the customers who bought into the system earlier. And all that with no red dot to artificially jack up the price. Why not get along to a dealer and see if the split focus in the X100s is up your street? We all get the fact that this isn't a Leica rangefinder. But it's not a Leica price either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 1, 2013 Why do you say this? I was just responding to the "Oops/Oh/Ouch" of the OP and explaining why i'm not interested by the current Fuji offers, which is not forbidden i hope. I'm not interested by the X100s either as it has no interchangeable lenses. Hope you don't mind either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted July 1, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 1, 2013 Of course it's not forbidden. I haven't jumped in and bought any of the Fujis yet because none of them (so far) exactly fit my requirements for a digital camera either. But I'm tired of some of the dismissive comments on this forum of anything that doesn't have the red dot on it. If Leica had released these cameras people here would be all over them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2013 Share #10 Posted July 1, 2013 I don't like bling things like the red dot and i'm a nikanosonyepson user as well so fanboyism and brand bashing are not my cup of tea. I might add Fuji to my camera stable if they launch a compact body with interchangeable lenses and split image focus screen if any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted July 1, 2013 Share #11 Posted July 1, 2013 If Leica had released these cameras people here would be all over them. Can you imagine the reaction of some of the regulars if Leica had rebadged the Sony RX1 and (because someone at Solms put the camera in a black/silver box) Leica declared it 'Made in Germany')? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted July 1, 2013 Share #12 Posted July 1, 2013 No rangefinder in a larger APS package thanks no thanks but i'll check how its little sisters work when they have a split image focus screen if any as i'm still dreaming about a digital CL. It will be up to Leica to build the digital CL -- a true Mini M. If and when they build it, it will be pricey, probably near the cost of the M-E. Fuji won't build anything with a rangefinder at the price level of their X series. However, they have made manual focus very workable with their recent X100S, albeit in a fixed lens camera. The focus-peaking feature is very accurate and quick, even in low light. It is still not a rangefinder, but it is not a bad solution. It works better than the electronic split-image focusing in the same camera. If they can bring some of the improvements of the X100S to the successors of the X-Pro1 and the XE-1, the next generation of the X series should be quite good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 1, 2013 ...The focus-peaking feature is very accurate and quick, even in low light. It is still not a rangefinder, but it is not a bad solution. It works better than the electronic split-image focusing in the same camera... I have no experience with quick focus peaking so far. Last time i've heard of that what about the M240 and i'm still laughing. Takes longer to magnify the view and focus peak than shooting two or three frames with the rangefinder. Split-image will work better in forthcoming Fuji bodies hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted July 1, 2013 Share #14 Posted July 1, 2013 I have no experience with quick focus peaking so far. Last time i've heard of that what about the M240 and i'm still laughing. Takes longer to magnify the view and focus peak than shooting two or three frames with the rangefinder. Split-image will work better in forthcoming Fuji bodies hopefully. On the X100S it works and it's quick. I don't know how it works on the M240. The X100S can be set to automatically show the magnified view the moment you touch the focus ring. And the magnified view can be set to always show focus peaking. So in one touch you are magnifying, focus peaking and manually focusing. Focusing carefully with a rangefinder takes just as much time. The disadvantage of the Fuji approach is that the magnified view fills the whole screen, so you lose the context of the area being magnified. (Perhaps they'll improve this in a future model.) The Fuji approach is not perfect, but it is a less expensive alternative to the rangefinder and it is speedy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 1, 2013 Share #15 Posted July 1, 2013 ...The Fuji approach is not perfect, but it is a less expensive alternative to the rangefinder and it is speedy. Is it that quick with interchangeable lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 4, 2013 Share #16 Posted July 4, 2013 I have no experience with quick focus peaking so far. Last time i've heard of that what about the M240 and i'm still laughing. Takes longer to magnify the view and focus peak than shooting two or three frames with the rangefinder. Split-image will work better in forthcoming Fuji bodies hopefully. You might be right that focussing using focus peaking takes longer than shooting several frames with the rangefinder. But then, what do you do with your blurred shots? I have found many uses for Focus Peaking where I didn't use to come up with properly focussed shots using the RF. And vice versa, of course. As someone likes to say: horses for courses. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nena Kerner Posted July 4, 2013 Share #17 Posted July 4, 2013 The shown Fujinon kit lens is a little bit faster than the built in X-Vario-dark-zoom … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted July 7, 2013 Share #18 Posted July 7, 2013 Is it that quick with interchangeable lenses? No, but only because the X100S does not accept interchangeable lenses. If they implement this technology on an X-Pro1 or XE-1 successor, then it should be just as quick with interchangeable lenses on those cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted July 7, 2013 Share #19 Posted July 7, 2013 The disadvantage of the Fuji approach is that the magnified view fills the whole screen, so you lose the context of the area being magnified. (Perhaps they'll improve this in a future model.) Just to clarify my comment above, the magnified view is an option, not a requirement. It is a feature they call "Focus Check". This can be turned off. If turned off, then focus peaking or digital split image focusing can be used without magnification, so the context is retained in the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted July 11, 2013 Share #20 Posted July 11, 2013 I still prefer the focus peaking function as implemented in the Ricoh GXR. Best one so far that I have tried. I find that I can focus via that peaking feature faster and more accurately than I could with a rangefinder, but there are two caveats: It's almost useless in near dark situations where in the rangefinder you could still see just enough lines to focus on, and my eyes are going now so I have to hold the camera at arm's length to see the screen clearly. Tried the Sony RX1 and Fuji X100s and for the life of me can't figure out why all the hype over such badly designed cameras. The RX1 lens is so fat you have to squash your fingers to hold it, and I just didn't get on with the "superb viewfinder" of the X100s. The GXR is the true unsung hero of mirrorless to me. It's not sexy, but it works very, very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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