JeTexas Posted June 10, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 10, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I carry a Sony NEX-6 and an M9. The M9 has better color in portraits, gives me shallower DOF, and lets me use my 28mm Summicron as an actual wide-angle lens like it was intended. The NEX-6 is more like the X1 that should have been. I use it for video, telephoto and macro. I had to shoot a dodgeball tournament on Saturday. The trick with that is you have to shoot through the netting around each court -- not easy to do with a rangefinder. I put the 135mm Elmarit on the NEX-6 and got some great action shots. The 135mm is also easier to focus on the NEX-6 than it is with a rangefinder because the image if magnified. For me the two cameras are a team that cover all my shooting needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 Hi JeTexas, Take a look here Sony NEX 7...no comparison. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k-hawinkler Posted June 10, 2013 Share #22 Posted June 10, 2013 M9 and NEX-7 are complementary tools, both with their own strengths and weaknesses. As simple as that. I use both a lot. When I first saw the original post my gut reaction was; Troll alert. I still feel that way wherever and whenever I see this type of biased post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anderswi Posted June 10, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 10, 2013 DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 11, 2013 Share #24 Posted June 11, 2013 ... Leica/Leitz has a story in optics dating from 1846... but fact is that today a digital camera has inside more technologies in the hands of a Company like Sony than in the heritage of a Company like Leica... (P.S. Your portfolio is very enjoyable !) Also since Sony purchased the camera division from Konica/Minolta they have a heritage of optics also. Some Minolta lenses of the past carry the Leica name on them. Minolta even made its own glass but I don't think that division was sold to Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 11, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 11, 2013 the Ricoh GXR is the ultimate non-Leica Leica solution.....far better construction and menus and TERRIFIC image quality. I see no reason to want a Nex when the GXR is so great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunom Posted June 11, 2013 Share #26 Posted June 11, 2013 DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side I believe that DxO only compares the sensors not cameras, and even then is just a subjective opinion ? Bruno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted June 11, 2013 Share #27 Posted June 11, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... thought it was a camera forum, oh well, giddy-up. I hope this answers the OP's question, I guess you know what I mean... Edit: Moderators... can we make this a "sticky?" I think it answers a lot of questions that people may have about everything. Rick, Now the thread is complete. The answer is: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/206375-sony-nex-7no-comparison/?do=findComment&comment=2345526'>More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted June 11, 2013 Share #28 Posted June 11, 2013 the Ricoh GXR is the ultimate non-Leica Leica solution.....far better construction and menus and TERRIFIC image quality. I see no reason to want a Nex when the GXR is so great. Autofocus and the use of non-Leica lenses. With the NEX I can pop on the kit lens and hand it to whoever to take photos/video on auto. I can also use Canon FD, Canon EOS, and Nikon lenses. The NEX-6 also has wireless built in, so you get things like liveview with a remote on your phone and tablet or you can set it to have the photos save/transfer to your phone or tablet. Sony also has other apps available in their PlayMobile store that load onto the camera for things like timelapse, HDR, direct upload to Facebook, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 11, 2013 Share #29 Posted June 11, 2013 Autofocus and the use of non-Leica lenses. With the NEX I can pop on the kit lens and hand it to whoever to take photos/video on auto. I can also use Canon FD, Canon EOS, and Nikon lenses. The NEX-6 also has wireless built in, so you get things like liveview with a remote on your phone and tablet or you can set it to have the photos save/transfer to your phone or tablet. Sony also has other apps available in their PlayMobile store that load onto the camera for things like timelapse, HDR, direct upload to Facebook, etc. those are things i definitely do not want. i want the most minimalist, essential cameras....and the Nex is defined by features which I have no desire for. The GXR, on the other hand, is perfect for no-nonsense functionality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted June 11, 2013 Share #30 Posted June 11, 2013 Well, you have to admit that your rationale: "too many buttons and dials... Leica simple and great images" is pretty weak justification for spending an additional $6,000. It invites these responses. As one who has taken thousands of images with both the Nex 7 and the M9, I can say they are both very capable cameras which will produce great files. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. As for the buttons and menus... Well you just adapt and soon you don't even notice -really. I prefer the M9 - usually- but only because I'm a fan of rangefinder shooting. There are many occasions where the Nex is the superior tool. I'm not sure that "simple" isn't a good justification for buying a Leica. It all depends on what you're after. I shot coincident rangefinder (Leica) film cameras for some 35 years before moving to digital. Initially I didn't mind learning menus and buttons. And then in the next iteration of the brand, they all changed. So, I re-learned them and they changed again in the following iteration. And each time the technology improved significantly enough that it was worth spending the time learning it all over again. And then I bought an X-Pro1 and shot it for six months and 5,000 frames. And the longer I used it, the more onerous the menus and buttons became. It wasn't that I couldn't do it, it was more that I just didn't want to any more, and I began to resent that I had to. I had to fight the camera to shoot it manually, and even then I couldn't focus it manually using the OVF. So, I'm back with Leica simple... Shutter speed, ISO, aperture and me. Manual focus helical lenses. I pick the DOF, I pick the point of focus. I choose how the final output looks in the post-processing. If it's screwed up, it's because I screwed it up, not because I failed to either do or undo some setting on the camera. So, yes, for me it was a push-back at exactly the features that the camera companies are marketing as "must haves." It was money well spent for "simple." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted June 12, 2013 Share #31 Posted June 12, 2013 I'm not sure that "simple" isn't a good justification for buying a Leica. It all depends on what you're after. I shot coincident rangefinder (Leica) film cameras for some 35 years before moving to digital. Initially I didn't mind learning menus and buttons. And then in the next iteration of the brand, they all changed. So, I re-learned them and they changed again in the following iteration. And each time the technology improved significantly enough that it was worth spending the time learning it all over again. And then I bought an X-Pro1 and shot it for six months and 5,000 frames. And the longer I used it, the more onerous the menus and buttons became. It wasn't that I couldn't do it, it was more that I just didn't want to any more, and I began to resent that I had to. I had to fight the camera to shoot it manually, and even then I couldn't focus it manually using the OVF. So, I'm back with Leica simple... Shutter speed, ISO, aperture and me. Manual focus helical lenses. I pick the DOF, I pick the point of focus. I choose how the final output looks in the post-processing. If it's screwed up, it's because I screwed it up, not because I failed to either do or undo some setting on the camera. So, yes, for me it was a push-back at exactly the features that the camera companies are marketing as "must haves." It was money well spent for "simple." Yes, I do know what you are saying. My post was mainly in response the OP's comment bemoaning how the Forum was responding to to his original post. Still, a $6,000 premium for rangefinder and simple is a big hurdle for most people. I have both a Nex and an MM (and formerly an M9). I do like the IQ and usability of the Leicas better, but for auto focus and just a lightweight kit I do like the Nex. I switched to the Nex 6 (from the Nex 7)which is more usable for someone who likes manual type shooting than the Nex 7 IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2013 Share #32 Posted June 12, 2013 Autofocus and the use of non-Leica lenses. With the NEX I can pop on the kit lens and hand it to whoever to take photos/video on auto. I can also use Canon FD, Canon EOS, and Nikon lenses. The NEX-6 also has wireless built in, so you get things like liveview with a remote on your phone and tablet or you can set it to have the photos save/transfer to your phone or tablet. Sony also has other apps available in their PlayMobile store that load onto the camera for things like timelapse, HDR, direct upload to Facebook, etc.Playmobile - an apt name.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted June 13, 2013 Share #33 Posted June 13, 2013 Honestly, the original post is the sort of post that generally keeps me away from being very active on DPR. I feel a bit sad that it is now showing up on this very respectable Leica forum. The very fact we need to spend anytime comparing a Sony NEX 7 to an M anything is a mystery to me - I have both and in so many ways I can't imagine worrying about comparing these two fine cameras. They are different and exist for different users and uses. Best to all. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted June 13, 2013 Share #34 Posted June 13, 2013 Nicely stated, Terri. But this is hardly a comparison. The OP has held the Nex once and watched a video about it. Plus, it's just plain condescending to Nex users. Like you say, they are both fine cameras. What is gained by insulting other people's preferences? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 13, 2013 Share #35 Posted June 13, 2013 Playmobile - an apt name.. Playmobile lets you add new features to your camera and customize it as needed. That is pretty revolutionary and useful compared to firmware upgrades. E.g. if you need an intervalometer, just upload it. If Leica had something like that M240 users might be able to load custom settings that deactivate the video button or provide the ability to magnify focus on any part of the screen. The concept is that once you buy the camera you can keep adding on features as they are developed. The camera is not stuck in time but becomes more versatile the longer you own it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe S Posted June 13, 2013 Share #36 Posted June 13, 2013 Playmobile lets you add new features to your camera and customize it as needed. That is pretty revolutionary and useful compared to firmware upgrades. E.g. if you need an intervalometer, just upload it. If Leica had something like that M240 users might be able to load custom settings that deactivate the video button or provide the ability to magnify focus on any part of the screen. The concept is that once you buy the camera you can keep adding on features as they are developed. The camera is not stuck in time but becomes more versatile the longer you own it. I believe the most important feature for some might be the ability to download a red dot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2013 Share #37 Posted June 14, 2013 Playmobile lets you add new features to your camera and customize it as needed. That is pretty revolutionary and useful compared to firmware upgrades. E.g. if you need an intervalometer, just upload it. If Leica had something like that M240 users might be able to load custom settings that deactivate the video button or provide the ability to magnify focus on any part of the screen. The concept is that once you buy the camera you can keep adding on features as they are developed. The camera is not stuck in time but becomes more versatile the longer you own it. Exactly what I want - a camera that I can hook up to my nephew's Gameboy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 14, 2013 Share #38 Posted June 14, 2013 Exactly what I want - a camera that I can hook up to my nephew's Gameboy... "Stop the world, I want to get off." Well I'm 61 years young and proud that I am not stuck in the past. If you don't get it, you don't get it. These are not film cameras where at some point in the future you develop the film and make a print. These are digital multimedia communication devices and there is a computer at their core. There is no logical reason for their functionality not to be programmable by the user as that user sees fit. Sony is heading in this direction along with a few other Android based cameras. And wifi control is here in several models. Others will follow with all of this. Connectivity will be as much of a requirement as a lens if you want to sell cameras. Last week I was on an all day mountain hike with a group of people. Some of them carried cell phones to shoot snapshots and videos. One made a video of several others going down a water slide. At the end of the day we met up with another group of friends who had already seen the video which had been posted on Facebook. That is how photos and videos are used today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted June 14, 2013 Share #39 Posted June 14, 2013 the nex-7 is cute, but it isn't even in the same discussion as the M9. At least 5 reasons support this based on my extensive use of the nex-7 before selling it on ebay. 1. the auto focus is not accurate. it has a tendency to hop to a errant point of high contrast. It has bad contrast detection IQ. You'll find that this is a known fact if you search other camera forums. 2. lack of full frame makes a material difference 3. the colors are not as pleasing as the ccd sensor of the M9 4. the ergonomics of an nex-7 are clunky if one is used to the purist simplicity of an M 5. the lenses fitting the nex-7 aren't comparable to leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted June 14, 2013 Share #40 Posted June 14, 2013 Exactly what I want - a camera that I can hook up to my nephew's Gameboy... The Game Boy was introduced 24 years ago. How old is your nephew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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