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3 hours ago, kraxel69 said:

Kodak Gold I Cinestill C41 Kit 

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Great capture! Almost looks like an homage to the 1932 RCA building lunch break picture.

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Ideal Black/White starter film.

I have been gradually migrating from digital back to film using C41 colour but now want to move into Black/white but am rather confused with all the options and comparison reviews around the internet.

I shall shoot with my Leica R3 and film will be lab processed. I intend starting at box speed for pretty general topics. I have been shooting Ektar 100 for colour but it looks like most B/W is rated ISO400 with nothing between 100 and 400. I notice there is also a C41 B/W film but do not understand what advantage that gives. Prices certainly vary with Ilford/Kodak at one end thern Fuji Acros much more expensive, but I wonder whether quality follows price?  Which ever I start with I want good quality shots while I gain confidence before moving forward to experimentation.

I would welcome any input from the more experienced B/W film users.

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7 minutes ago, leica dream said:

Ideal Black/White starter film.

The ideal film for the first steps is a good reliable proven film like the FP4,
developt at home in a easy to handle developer like ID11/D76 or HC110.
It sounds expensive, but it isn't.
When you use one of the low budget films you start runnig on a stony way and don't find your mistakes because the are mostly Divas.
As a beginner you dont want to test the material you want see what you are doing and what happens, so you need trusty stuff.
The pro workhorse films are proven to deliver konstant results.
For home developing you only need a darkbag, a tank, thermometer, developer, fix and water.
When you are home with your exposed film 1/2 hour you see the first results, thats it!
It will cost little money for used stuff!

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1 hour ago, leica dream said:

Ideal Black/White starter film.

If, for whatever reason you are unable to develop at home, you could use Ilford XP2 which is designed to be developed at your usual Lab in C41 colour chemistry. It has exceptionally fine grain and can, in my experience, be exposed at anything in-between 100 and 400 ISO with good results. 

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With the film prices ever increasing, I find it worthwhile to explore the use of cheaper alternatives to Kodak TriX and Ilford HP5, both 400 ISO B&W films. One of the best options I have found so far is FOMAPAN 400. Particularly when developed in Xtol (or its equivalents), it exhibits relatively fine grain, and while it does not loose its propensity for blocking shadows, it seems more tamed compared to being developed in other chemistry. Here some recent examples:

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Contax IIa, Biogon 2,8/35, FOMAPAN 400, Xtol

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Contax IIa, Biogon 2,8/35, FOMAPAN 400, Xtol

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Contax IIa, Biogon 2,8/35, FOMAPAN 400, Xtol

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At Torrey Pines State Natural Reserve.

Color negative film, Nikon F6, 105mm macro lens, ISO 200, f/3.0, 1/4,000s.

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At Torrey Pines State Natural Reserve.

Color negative film, Nikon F6, 105mm macro lens, ISO 200, f/4.2, 1/500s.

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San Diego Point Loma, CA ... sailboats (blur for toy sailboat look) trying to race on a clam day.

Color negative film, Nikon F6, 24-105mm f/4 lens, ISO 200 @ FL 78mm, f/4.5, 1/1,000s.

 

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3 minutes ago, christoph_d said:

With the film prices ever increasing, I find it worthwhile to explore the use of cheaper alternatives to Kodak TriX and Ilford HP5, both 400 ISO B&W films. One of the best options I have found so far is FOMAPAN 400. Particularly when developed in Xtol (or its equivalents), it exhibits relatively fine grain, and while it does not loose its propensity for blocking shadows, it seems more tamed compared to being developed in other chemistry. Here some recent examples:

Iam with you

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" As a beginner you dont want to test the material you want see what you are doing and what happens, so you need trusty stuff."

Yes, this is where I am coming from. Home developing can come later - I had my own darkroom years ago so shall certainly get around to that eventually

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When you dont want to selfdevelop your BW films than there is no reason to choose something else than C41 or E6
because these are standardized development processes that you can rely on.
There are no such standards for black and white films. From your laboratory experience you know how many parameters influence the appearance of a black and white film.
But this is not the right place to discuss that.

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Leica MP 35mm Summilux f/1.4 FLE - Kodak TMAX 100 + orange filter. Home developed and scanned. 

 

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6 hours ago, leica dream said:

Ideal Black/White starter film.

I have been gradually migrating from digital back to film using C41 colour but now want to move into Black/white but am rather confused with all the options and comparison reviews around the internet.

I shall shoot with my Leica R3 and film will be lab processed. I intend starting at box speed for pretty general topics. I have been shooting Ektar 100 for colour but it looks like most B/W is rated ISO400 with nothing between 100 and 400. I notice there is also a C41 B/W film but do not understand what advantage that gives. Prices certainly vary with Ilford/Kodak at one end thern Fuji Acros much more expensive, but I wonder whether quality follows price?  Which ever I start with I want good quality shots while I gain confidence before moving forward to experimentation.

I would welcome any input from the more experienced B/W film users.

As others have said, if and when you decide to self-process, a trusted film like FP4+ or HP5+. You can try Fomopan as well, but at the start, FP4+ is what I'd suggest.

If you are not going to process, I'd suggest XP2, it's a great all round film, and soups with the C-41 you have been sending to.

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Rolleiwide Portra 800

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