MOZ Posted April 30, 2013 Share #41 Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve is more a b&w shooter than a color one. See his posts, most of the time you will see b&w pictures... It doesn't mean that the M is a "bad" camera or anything like this, it just means that the MM is the right camera for him, at this moment... If you really like b&w, there is no better digital camera right now. He just understood that i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Hi MOZ, Take a look here So Huff's sold his 240 then. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
iedei Posted April 30, 2013 Share #42 Posted April 30, 2013 I suppose you imagine Jeremy Clarkson buys every car he says he likes, ......and then keeps them No other reviewers have their integrity impugned like is being done here. It would get you some funny looks if you said out loud in public that it offends your sensibilities, and you think he should have stopped his son going on a trip rather than sell a camera. It is his life, his choice, but the nature of the internet is that things are said that don't make much sense in real life, it is a fantasy world. Steve Clarkson doesn't buy his cars...he is given them to test. Secondly....Steve Huff is the one who decides to 'lifeblog' and when someone decides to air their laundry in public, they will get judged. I don't feel sorry for him at all....he rambles nonstop about gear...often rambling like a headless chicken. if he gets insulted by people, there's nobody to blame but himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted April 30, 2013 Share #43 Posted April 30, 2013 Secondly....Steve Huff is the one who decides to 'lifeblog' and when someone decides to air their laundry in public, they will get judged. I don't feel sorry for him at all....he rambles nonstop about gear...often rambling like a headless chicken. if he gets insulted by people, there's nobody to blame but himself. So, just because somebody rambles nonstop about gear on his own blog, he has himself to blame when people insult him? What about people that ramble on forums? Btw I don't see much insulting going on in this thread, thankfully, but this kind of logic was kinda surprising to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 30, 2013 Share #44 Posted April 30, 2013 You seem to be disappointed that he is always enthusiastic. But his enthusiastic style is because he always reviews camera's he is pre disposed to like. Why then would anyone care about these reviews? If ‘review’ was even the right word for this. Even when I am reviewing cameras I happen to like I don’t get all excited, or not in public anyway. When someone is giddy with excitement about their new toy, that’s fine with me. I would never regard it as a review, though. But maybe I’m just envious. For my review in the latest issue of LFI I had compared shutter and recocking sounds of the M and M9, measured shutter lag in various modes, also live view latency, and luminance and chroma noise. That didn’t generate quite the same buzz. Apparently because assessments like “The color…oh the color. Color can be MUCH MUCH richer and more beautiful than it was with the M9.” are much more meaningful. I will try a more ‘Real World’ approach in the next issue; we will see how it pans out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted April 30, 2013 Share #45 Posted April 30, 2013 So, just because somebody rambles nonstop about gear on his own blog, he has himself to blame when people insult him? What about people that ramble on forums? Btw I don't see much insulting going on in this thread, thankfully, but this kind of logic was kinda surprising to me. you obviously skipped the part where i said he decides to 'lifeblog'....Steve Huff runs a blog where he rambles about gear and about his PERSONAL decision making, logic, life problems, etc....he is putting himself out there. If he doesn't want that criticism, then he should get out of running an exhibitionist showcase. Simple as that. I'm not sure how you can equate a forum member to a person who runs a full website full of opinions called "Steve Huff Photo" and puts himself out there. They're not the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted April 30, 2013 Share #46 Posted April 30, 2013 Why then would anyone care about these reviews? If ‘review’ was even the right word for this. Even when I am reviewing cameras I happen to like I don’t get all excited, or not in public anyway. When someone is giddy with excitement about their new toy, that’s fine with me. I would never regard it as a review, though. But maybe I’m just envious. For my review in the latest issue of LFI I had compared shutter and recocking sounds of the M and M9, measured shutter lag in various modes, also live view latency, and luminance and chroma noise. That didn’t generate quite the same buzz. Apparently because assessments like “The color…oh the color. Color can be MUCH MUCH richer and more beautiful than it was with the M9.” are much more meaningful. I will try a more ‘Real World’ approach in the next issue; we will see how it pans out. Michael, obviously his reviews are targeted at a different audience than yours. I'm a good example - I'm an amateur in my mid 30s, never owned a Leica before. I bought my M based mostly on Steve's review of it (go on, ridicule me...). His website and reviews were the only reason I got interested in Leica, coming from a Nikon system that I sold. I placed my order a few days after I read his review... I now have had the M for a month and I must say I'm amazed by what the camera and lenses deliver and am very happy with the purchase. I don't care if Steve has since sold his M, don't need him to validate my decision. Your reviews may be informative for many people, but there are also a lot of people like me who don't care about comparisona of shutter lag or live view latency or chroma noise. For one because they didn't own an M9 in the first place and also I know that at this stage of the game it will be good enough for what I need. Steve's approach may be more "plebeian" but it will thus be more popular (read reach more audience) by definition... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted April 30, 2013 Share #47 Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) But maybe I’m just envious. For my review in the latest issue of LFI I had compared shutter and recocking sounds of the M and M9, measured shutter lag in various modes, also live view latency, and luminance and chroma noise. That didn’t generate quite the same buzz..... Go on with YOUR style Michael... but, remember, always inform us when you decide to sell some gear, possibly with a consistent & detailed explanation (the question of Huff' son in Japan is very intriguing...this summer I have a daughter flying to Ireland... surely many in the forum are interested in if & how I can balance this with my possible expense on a M... whose timing is UNCERTAIN... could be BEFORE or AFTER her trip depending on deliveries... very, very intriguing, isn't it ?).. apparently this really generates a good buzz... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosophos Posted April 30, 2013 Share #48 Posted April 30, 2013 Seriously, many of the members here lack basic manners. Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted April 30, 2013 Sorry for starting this It did surprise me (a bit) and for me, raised a few more questions regarding what are on the surface interesting reviews, but how much of the opinion presented is as genuine as presented. Some people out there have bought on the strength of them by Steve's own public statements , so he has put himself up there hasnt he ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Essemmlee Posted April 30, 2013 Share #50 Posted April 30, 2013 This man encourages photographers and photography and for that reason should be encouraged himself. I like his positive attitude and his 'American' approach to life. He is just a nice chap who, I'm sure, doesn't need all the negativity being hoisted upon him from gentlemen who should know better. For me, the comments in this and other Steve Huff related threads, reflect badly on the members here and that, sadly, includes me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted April 30, 2013 Share #51 Posted April 30, 2013 I guess with any upgrade there must be a WOW factor. As an analogy look at TV evolution. Black and white to color - WOW Color to flat screen - WOW Plasma to LCD - OK LCD - LED - OLED - mmm Thin - thinner - no frame - huh I guess with cameras now, the incremental features in each generation is only compelling to a minority. It's the same with all brands and not Leica alone. In the end its what the human eye can see and discern, and the wallet justifies. Except the fact that Plasma to LCD was a downgrade in image quality in every way possible (except the rare retention). The best plasma TV's today easily trounce any LCD TV, even at double the cost, when it comes to image quality, shadow details, black levels, viewing angles, and fluid motion. I think it's great that Steve Huff found what he wanted. I have bought and sold quite a couple of things in my life as well - to find what I really wanted. Be it cars, guitars, bikes, cameras, computers... I hope it's normal - otherwise I'm perfectly fine by being a "weird one" :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dierk Posted April 30, 2013 Share #52 Posted April 30, 2013 sold off my M as well. Imo, it feels like in beta stage and I shall revisit it in a year. Dont miss M, though Leica lens are still an object of beauty and 'pure density', those I will never part with. Have my D4, Rx1, GXR M mount for now, and waiting to rent a MM this summer for a week. I gave my M back after 2 days and don't want one any more. I wrote here, why (many arguments): http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/276958-m-firmware-hardware-improvements-thread.html#post2383542 I love the MM and like the M9 for Leica style color shooting and for any other images like macro, tilt/shift and auto focus, if needed, I love the Sony NEX7 and wait for the comming FF NEX. Why did Leica not spend some time and look, how other successful cameras (like NEX, Nikon...) are implemented??? dierk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted April 30, 2013 Share #53 Posted April 30, 2013 I think you're all missing the point. Steve says he's going to buy another new M in 9-12 months. So what's the Vegas over-under for this purchase? Knowing Steve's penchant for gear, I'd say three months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted April 30, 2013 Share #54 Posted April 30, 2013 For color shots, the 240 is easily replaceable by other cameras, instead for BW the MM does not have opponents.It is the truth. Well, no digital opponents anyway... s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 1, 2013 Share #55 Posted May 1, 2013 Steve does not live in a vacuum. He has a family. His wife is likely at least 50% of the decision. Lighten up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 1, 2013 Share #56 Posted May 1, 2013 Why then would anyone care about these reviews? If ‘review’ was even the right word for this. Even when I am reviewing cameras I happen to like I don’t get all excited, or not in public anyway. When someone is giddy with excitement about their new toy, that’s fine with me. I would never regard it as a review, though. But maybe I’m just envious. For my review in the latest issue of LFI I had compared shutter and recocking sounds of the M and M9, measured shutter lag in various modes, also live view latency, and luminance and chroma noise. That didn’t generate quite the same buzz. Apparently because assessments like “The color…oh the color. Color can be MUCH MUCH richer and more beautiful than it was with the M9.” are much more meaningful. I will try a more ‘Real World’ approach in the next issue; we will see how it pans out. So long as you don't feature pictures of cats, dogs and other barnyard animals. I am a subscriber of LFI. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 1, 2013 Share #57 Posted May 1, 2013 So long as you don't feature pictures of cats, dogs and other barnyard animals. I am a subscriber of LFI. ;-) Or vegetables... As regards Steve Huff's decision to sell, I can see it now. In a few months (hopefully longer), he'll buy another M and tell us just how right he was to get out of the M now, how his new camera is awesomely amazingly better in some undefinable way and all the rest. His so-called reviews lack rigour and objectivity as to be completely worthless. As for his poor financial planning - he would have known that taxes were due and it's hardly difficult to estimate how much - maybe it's time he got a proper job and gave us all a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 1, 2013 Share #58 Posted May 1, 2013 Has he given up his first career as a photographer completely, now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david perry Posted May 1, 2013 Share #59 Posted May 1, 2013 And there was I thinking that this is a forum for enthusiasts of Leica, rather than one for those who like to indulge in the trashing of another person's integrity. Am I the only one who is very weary of this pernicious tendency on the Web to belittle and demean others so easily, as though such behaviour were acceptable or would be indulged in face to face? I am well aware that I am opening myself up to the wrath of those who so clearly disagree with me, but I feel that enough is enough and in my professional life I would not let such an unhealthy and unfair trend pass by unchallenged. I enjoy Steve's site and find his enthusiasm infectious and his approach helpful: his is one set of views to set alongside those who take a very different approach to assessing the merits or otherwise of Leica gear. I value my M now just as much as I did before Steve sold his (even though it is currently between here and Germany to have its lugs checked), and as someone whose finances are equally limited and for whom Leica is a real stretch after a long thought through and carefully considered choice, I appreciate his reasons for doing so. Can't we lighten up a little and be more appreciative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowdedhousenl Posted May 1, 2013 Share #60 Posted May 1, 2013 So he sold his M...so what Steve sold and re-buy cams's and lenses through the years. As many of us too i presume ! He made an excellent observation of the 'M' in his review and now he needed some cash-flow to finance other things..... well I recognize that...it's Human and prioritizing.... If you have an MM too and maybe an X100S ...you will manage, I'm sure And for you the 'M' owners....one day most of you will sell the M too for model 360 or so. I have an M9 and that's a more than ok cam to me, it's the lenses that counts... and a D600 too, because if the M is a screwdriver ... sometimes you need a Hammer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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