calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Share #1 Posted July 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) At yesterday, I got LEICA D VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-F3.5 ASPH + Panasonic L1. And I take some test shot. This product has some problem about raw development. This package includes 3 PC software and 2 software can develop raw file. One of software is PHOTOfunSTUDIO, this software is just crazy, because no function has raw development, just same as jpeg picture. Other one of software is SYLKYPICS, this is Japanese software vender’s software. This software is old style PC application, but function is no bad. But this just specification, because big bug has software activation it is can’t registration by internet, therefore some important function is disable by sample mode. I think this product is not complete now. But I feel this lens and this camera has good potential. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2029-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-panasonic-l1/?do=findComment&comment=17882'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 23, 2006 Posted July 23, 2006 Hi calvados, Take a look here LEICA D VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-F3.5 ASPH + Panasonic L1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted July 23, 2006 Share #2 Posted July 23, 2006 Interesting, thanks for sharing. Unless your pics above have that sensitivity, would you mind to post some 400 iso pictures shot in low light? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglouis Posted July 23, 2006 Share #3 Posted July 23, 2006 Can anyone compare for the novice (e.g. me) what the main differences are going to be between the Lumix L1 and upcoming M8? I also wonder how this product is going to fit into the product range at Leica. LouisB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2006 Share #4 Posted July 23, 2006 Can anyone compare for the novice (e.g. me) what the main differences are going to be between the Lumix L1 and upcoming M8?... Hi louis, The L1 is a 1500-2000$ Panasonic DSLR using the zoom lens referred to in this thread and other 4/3 lenses made by Panasonic, under the Leica name, and other brands like Olympus and Sigma. The M8 will be a 4000-5000$ Leica digital rangefinder using M lenses made by Leica and other brands like Zeiss and Cosina under Zeiss and Voigtlander names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted July 23, 2006 Interesting, thanks for sharing.Unless your pics above have that sensitivity, would you mind to post some 400 iso pictures shot in low light? Thank you for your replay. All pictures is ISO200, because raw development software can't noise reduction. This situation may be temporary. Because the Panasonic support center try to solve this problem and they promise solve this problem. And following picture is sample of ISO400, you can find lot of noise in this picture. Because noise reduction need this situation. This point is very deffrent point from OLYMPUS E-330, this camera is still low noise with out noinse reduction at ISO400. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2029-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-panasonic-l1/?do=findComment&comment=17971'>More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2006 Share #6 Posted July 23, 2006 ...you can find lot of noise in this picture.. I don't find it that noisey personally. Quite appealing IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 23, 2006 Share #7 Posted July 23, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks similiar to a Oly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #8 Posted July 23, 2006 Looks similiar to a Oly Realy think so ?? The following is sample of Panasonic L-1, OLYMPUS E-330, OLYMPUS E-1 with VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50 F2.8 ASPH. And last one is LEICA DMR / R9 with VARIO-ELMAR-R 28-90mm F2.8-4.5 ASPH. All picture is ISO-400. All picture's white balance is done by gray point specify on gretagcbeth Mini ColorChecker neutral 5. I believe that you can find most difftence about panasonic L-1. And you can find CCD dust at DMR picture. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2029-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-panasonic-l1/?do=findComment&comment=18051'>More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2006 Share #9 Posted July 23, 2006 Interesting Kazuo, thanks. Is it me or is the L1 pic brighter than the others? Otherwise the 330 pic shows more noise IMHO (blue channel). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #10 Posted July 23, 2006 Interesting Kazuo, thanks.Is it me or is the L1 pic brighter than the others? Otherwise the 330 pic shows more noise IMHO (blue channel). LCT, thank you for your comment. I’m sorry, I have 2 mistake in this post. One of mistake is Picture cutting operation on Photoshop, therefore size is not same. This site has limitation of picture size and data size, therefore I need this kind of operation and converting. Other miss take is E-330 photo, my E-330 use for under water photography only, therefore cameras setting is quite deferent from normal situation. I try resetting parameters, but I missing EV setting, it was -2EV, this setting is normal at under water situation. I notice this miss at development time, and I set up gain at development parameter, therefore noise flower is up at dark area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted July 23, 2006 Share #11 Posted July 23, 2006 furuyama-san. a very interesting comparison. thank you. yes, there seems to be some inherent noise in the background. however, among the 4/3 cameras, the L1 seems to have the nicest image of the ballerina figurine. is your copy of the L1/vario-elmarit a full production model? thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #12 Posted July 23, 2006 furuyama-san. is your copy of the L1/vario-elmarit a full production model? thanks. Lenug-san, thank you for your replay. Yes, this L1/VARIO-ELMARIT is full production model, may be first lot. And i meet some problems, but I feel good potential. I remark some diffrence is came from raw development software. L1 is SYLKYPIX, other area RawShooter. You can find sylkypix information at following page. SILKYPIX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davephoto Posted July 23, 2006 Share #13 Posted July 23, 2006 thanks furuyama-san. since you're the only one here with this new combination, a lot of us envious forum members will undoubtedly be bombarding you with questions and requests. are you ready? first, i'd like to state that any additional samples you post will, i'm sure, be most appreciated by all of us. i'd actually like to ask a question not pertaining to the imagine quality: how is the handling of the new camera and lens? any significant differences or -- fingers crossed here -- similarities to traditional leica products you can identify? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supperman Posted July 23, 2006 Share #14 Posted July 23, 2006 I don't find it that noisey personally.Quite appealing IMHO. No, that's pretty bad for ISO 400. And it's not just because of visible noise, but because noise reduction removes fine details too, which sort of negates one of the benefits of using Leica lenses. The lens capable of alot better, looking at the ISO 100 photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 23, 2006 Share #15 Posted July 23, 2006 No, that's pretty bad for ISO 400. And it's not just because of visible noise, but because noise reduction removes fine details too... Where do you see noise reduction, Max? Thanks to show me that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlof Posted July 23, 2006 Share #16 Posted July 23, 2006 What is the RAW format the L1 produces? DNG or Panasonic specific RAW? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
etanguero Posted July 23, 2006 Share #17 Posted July 23, 2006 however, among the 4/3 cameras, the L1 seems to have the nicest image of the ballerina figurine. is your copy of the L1/vario-elmarit a full production model? thanks. My thoughts as well! The sad point of the story: with the great potential of the Leica lenses and also the well constructed Panasonic cameras bodies ... it's such a pity that the Leica companion Panasonic apparantly allways has a noise problem! Esp. at higher ISOs. What is the RAW format the L1 produces? DNG or Panasonic specific RAW? Yes, please tell us! BTW: I heard some good stories about silkypix, not the worst piece of software. Man, you're lucky! Enjoy your cam!!! Greetz! eT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #18 Posted July 23, 2006 What is the RAW format the L1 produces? DNG or Panasonic specific RAW? Unfortunately, it is Panasonic specific RAW format. The extension is “.raw”, this format is same as Panasonic LX-1 and LEICA D-LUX2. Currently, only L1 included software can develop L1 raw file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #19 Posted July 23, 2006 Panasonic apparantly allways has a noise problem! Esp. at higher ISOs. Agree with you. Canon is famous about low-noise, but this technology is based on implicit noise reduction, not real low noise, therefore I believe noise of Panasonic and LEICA is no problem, it will be solve by explicit noise reduction. BTW: I heard some good stories about silkypix, not the worst piece of software. Almost Japanese camera maker has good feeling with SYLKYPIX. Because it result is nice detail, spatial frequency is very high. But I feel this color is different from my image, this is bad point for me. I always use RawShooter and Olympus Studio, sometime user FlexColor, do not use Adobe Camera Raw. May be I will use Adobe LightRoom. Now I consider about SYLKYPIX, it must use L1, but this product has some technical problem, it is registration system, sometime can’t make registration, therefore some function disallowed include noise reduction and false color reduction :-( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 23, 2006 Author Share #20 Posted July 23, 2006 are you ready? fearful :-) first, i'd like to state that any additional samples you post will, I will , but I have business trip in this 4 days, therefore next post will last of this week, I'm sorry. how is the handling of the new camera and lens? any significant differences or -- fingers crossed here -- similarities to traditional leica products you can identify? At first this camera's handling is quite different from LEICA DMR+R9. This product is very light, more than LEICA DMR + R9, but some place using plastic, this point is likes and dislikes. In my felling, this body and lens designed for AUTO-FORCUS operation. Therefore, L-1’s shutter speed dial is small than R-9, and manual operation is difficult. The lens has aperture stop ring, same as LEICA R-Lens, but rings sequence is different from LEICA R-Lens. Because this sequence is, at first zoom ring, forces ring, last is aperture stop ring. This is my confuse point at first. Most interesting function is live-view, same as compact digital camera, if you wish strict focusing, this faction is very useful more than R-9 good finder. Because you can zooming 10x at LCD. The operation feeling is same as price, Body of course, and lens operation image is cheaper than R-lens, may be off course. But light weight is good point. I feel no merit about MEGA-OIS. Because not effective, may be. I thank that, this camera is based on Panasonic Camera, not LEICA. But Optical technology and operation know-how has LEICA at root. You can find new LIECA world at VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-F3.5 ASPH, because this is only lens of AUTO-FOUCS lens (with unti shake) of LEICA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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