Yarosuav Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted April 16, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is a suggestion: Is it the new shutter release with its weather sealing that is staying depressed just enough to keep the camera awake. This might explain why mine did this a couple of times in the first week but now that it has had a few hundred actuations, it is not doing it any more. Wilson I thought about it too, but my shutter seems to spring back ok to "unpressed" position ok so I decided it's not the culprit. Seriously, what seems to have solved the issue for me was to move away from my SandDisk Extreme Pro SD cards. However, that also coincided with my using the camera more so maybe you're on to something with the shutter having more actuations... I'm going to go back to the SanDisk cards and see if the issue comes back. Anybody else have had this problem so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hookeye Posted April 16, 2013 Share #22 Posted April 16, 2013 Not me anymore. I was so miffed the morning I prepared to go out shooting, but found the battery completely drained that I no longer trust the auto-OFF. Until somebody finds a credible solution or Leica comes up with a FW fix, I will keep my index finger on the main switch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted April 16, 2013 Share #23 Posted April 16, 2013 I thought about it too, but my shutter seems to spring back ok to "unpressed" position ok so I decided it's not the culprit. Seriously, what seems to have solved the issue for me was to move away from my SandDisk Extreme Pro SD cards. However, that also coincided with my using the camera more so maybe you're on to something with the shutter having more actuations... I'm going to go back to the SanDisk cards and see if the issue comes back. Anybody else have had this problem so far? The first few days of use I recharged each night, the battery would be 20-50% with heavy use. On the forth day I noted the battery charge at 70% and within a half hour of non-use the battery was 65%, then 60% half hour later. Set for 2 minutes the camera shut off as soon as 30 seconds, with 1 minute being common, and much longer than 2 minutes occasionally. Frustrated by this behavior I shook the camera and a few bugs fell out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted April 16, 2013 I definitely noticed that the auto power-off kicks in at somewhat random times (I've always had it set to 2 minutes in the menus). Sometimes it happens quickly (less than a minute) and sometimes it takes much longer (several minitus at least)... Manual states that the meter (and LED frame lines) should switch off afer 30 seconds, but they definitely stay on longer at times. Not sure what causes that behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted April 16, 2013 Share #25 Posted April 16, 2013 I definitely noticed that the auto power-off kicks in at somewhat random times (I've always had it set to 2 minutes in the menus). Sometimes it happens quickly (less than a minute) and sometimes it takes much longer (several minitus at least)... Manual states that the meter (and LED frame lines) should switch off afer 30 seconds, but they definitely stay on longer at times. Not sure what causes that behaviour. Despite the quirky issues the camera is well worth it, over the next few days I hope to spend some time trouble-shooting, taking out the Sandisk Extreme card and using others, Samsung and Sony cards have faster start-up time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 16, 2013 Share #26 Posted April 16, 2013 Anybody else have had this problem so far? I left the camera turned on for two days with a SanDisk Extreme Pro 16 GB card inside and the battery did show 90% charge afterwards, same as before. So there was no battery drain whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted April 17, 2013 Share #27 Posted April 17, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Data from quasi controlled conditions: the camera is left idle (main switch set to S), no evf, no advanced metering: Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC 32gb 95MB/s UHS-1 0 hour battery 100% 1/2 hr. 100% 1 hr. 95% 1 1/2 hr. 90% 2 hr. 85% 2 1/2 hr. 85% 3 hr. 85% 3 hr. 20 min 80% the camera was in a moderately lit room up to this point. 7 hr. 80% dark from 3:20 to 7 hrs. 7 1/2 hr. 80% light 8 hr. 80% light 8 1/2 hr. 80% light 11 hr. 80% This is a relatively new battery but it does show a significant loss of charge with no usage other than the electronics sitting idly by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted April 17, 2013 Share #28 Posted April 17, 2013 I've had this same issue a couple of times with my M Mono. I've just started being a lot more careful to be sure it's switched off when not in use. I'm using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted April 17, 2013 Share #29 Posted April 17, 2013 The card may be a determining factor as previously pointed out. I am currently testing a Samsung card and it is 95% after 2 hours. The Sandisk was 85%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted April 19, 2013 Share #30 Posted April 19, 2013 Data from quasi controlled conditions: the camera is left idle (main switch set to S), no evf, no advanced metering: Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC 32gb 95MB/s UHS-1 0 hour battery 100% 1/2 hr. 100% 1 hr. 95% 1 1/2 hr. 90% 2 hr. 85% 2 1/2 hr. 85% 3 hr. 85% 3 hr. 20 min 80% the camera was in a moderately lit room up to this point. 7 hr. 80% dark from 3:20 to 7 hrs. 7 1/2 hr. 80% light 8 hr. 80% light 8 1/2 hr. 80% light 11 hr. 80% This is a relatively new battery but it does show a significant loss of charge with no usage other than the electronics sitting idly by. Several more tests with different cards and each one showed less drain. A retest of the Sandisk Extreme Pro SDHC 32gb 95MB/s UHS-1 shows 100% @ 6+ hours. The battery is more mature, 9 days of use/ recharges, it is not draining in standby mode any longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted April 23, 2013 Share #31 Posted April 23, 2013 I had the same issue on my new M: I left the camera with the switch "on" when the battery was at approx. 80% charge and after few hours the battery was totally empty. I have not been able so far to replicate the issue. The card is a Sandisk Extreme 16gb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted April 23, 2013 Share #32 Posted April 23, 2013 Once during my tests using a Panasonic card the camera failed to power off. Pressing the shutter release didn't activate the red led on the camera back, the info button would display the information screen. Subsequently the lcd screen would turn off but the camera remained in an abnormal state. The battery quickly drained within a few hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ario Arioldi Posted April 23, 2013 Share #33 Posted April 23, 2013 The card may be a determining factor as previously pointed out. I am currently testing a Samsung card and it is 95% after 2 hours. The Sandisk was 85%. I suspect that the issue is related to the history of operation performed by/on the camera before being left idle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
furcafe Posted April 23, 2013 Share #34 Posted April 23, 2013 To add another data point, I recently discovered this w/my M. In my case, the camera (switched on) was in a bag & sat in a position that kept the shutter release pressed enough to activate the frameline-illuminator LED & meter. Ok, I finally got to the bottom of it. I realized that the issue was not just the camera not going to sleep, but also the light meter and LED framelines staying on (which obviously drains the battery really fast). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 23, 2013 Share #35 Posted April 23, 2013 I suspect that the issue is related to the history of operation performed by/on the camera before being left idle. I'll second that. The issue is exactly how the operations occur in time, and the card should have nothing to do with power drain. Repeat the tests with one card and the behavior should be similar - provided the battery has not already been formed/trained through discharge and recharge. LEDs drain almost no energy, but the fact that someone else found them lit all the time simply means the camera did not go into true idle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarosuav Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share #36 Posted April 23, 2013 I agree in that it seems to be connecet to the history of operation before the camera is "left alone" but it seems pretty random. Mine is going to sleep pretty much every time now, but there are still instances when it does not. It's hard to pinpoint a pattern though. One this I noticed for sure is that if I leave the camera in preview mode (with an image displayed on the LCD) it will NOT go to sleep at all, it'll just sit there dispaying the image untill the battery dies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted June 5, 2013 Share #37 Posted June 5, 2013 Hi, I'm having the exact same problem and it appeared after a little more than a week use. Resetting, changing battery or so sometimes fix the problem but not always. Does anybody knows more about it? And is Leica aware of it? (I sent an email myself today but I'm don't know how they react to customer feedback these days). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 5, 2013 Share #38 Posted June 5, 2013 I am on my second battery and the camera is again misbehaving with this new battery. The camera settled down with the first battery after using it for several weeks. So, either the camera and battery need to get familiar or more likely the battery when new has to be used and everything becomes normal once recharged several times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 5, 2013 Share #39 Posted June 5, 2013 I am on my second battery and the camera is again misbehaving with this new battery. The camera settled down with the first battery after using it for several weeks. So, either the camera and battery need to get familiar or more likely the battery when new has to be used and everything becomes normal once recharged several times. Had they been properly and formally introduced to each other and exchanged visiting cards? My second battery drained quite quickly the first time I used it. I have not had a chance to use it again as my 240 went off to Solms right after I got the second battery and is not due back until tomorrow. I did not think modern Lithium Polymer batteries needed forming but it seems as if Leica ones may do. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 5, 2013 Share #40 Posted June 5, 2013 Had they been properly and formally introduced to each other and exchanged visiting cards?Wilson Perhaps there's a civility the instruction manual did not mention. My second battery drained quite quickly the first time I used it. I have not had a chance to use it again as my 240 went off to Solms right after I got the second battery and is not due back until tomorrow. I did not think modern Lithium Polymer batteries needed forming but it seems as if Leica ones may do. Wilson Exactly what happened to me, second battery... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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