haroldp Posted May 14, 2013 Share #61 Posted May 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) If I go for a 240, the main reason given my usage would be for accurate framing of wideangle lenses using one EVF rather than a bag full of finders. I will be in Rome, and would like to use my 12mm and WATE in the old city. The above reason may still not be enough given that I have DSLR's for real high ISO work and the depreciation of digital bodies is quite steep. .... H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blueweed Posted May 15, 2013 Share #62 Posted May 15, 2013 good choice on the Noct. I myself sold off my M after about a month toying with it but still kept my 50mm summilux to toy with my Ricoh GXR M. I just bought a 35mm summicron cheap and am on a look out for for the 25-35-50 tri elmar. Eventually i want a 75mm as well. I have no leica body atm. I enjoyed using the M, but I dont feel comfortable owning one with its problems, at the same time I am very much looking forward to the upcoming NEX fullframe to pair with an M mount. Have a funny feeling there will be a mad rush for leica lenses then. I have to emphasize that I have a very strong gut feeling the NEX ff in its small form and leica mount will be a serious problem to Leica. even the b&w from the Rx1 was pretty good, so sony by combining all the knowledge they had esepcially from the Rx1 should have the resources to dish out a really really good NEX ff, and hence makes me very nervous about holding onto a leica body but all out for leica lenese. regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 15, 2013 Share #63 Posted May 15, 2013 I have to emphasize that I have a very strong gut feeling the NEX ff in its small form and leica mount will be a serious problem to Leica. even the b&w from the Rx1 was pretty good, so sony by combining all the knowledge they had especially from the Rx1 should have the resources to dish out a really really good NEX ff, and hence makes me very nervous about holding onto a leica body but all out for leica lenese. regards. 'Strong feelings' are no more than that. Sony delivering a FF Nex still hasn't happened, so only speculation to date. The real point of deciding which camera comes down to the existing functionality that suits your photography. The majority of Leica shooters, film or digital, do so because the RF experience is paramount. Many Sony's I think don't even have a VF, only LCD (correct me if wrong on this). Then add to that the simple manual 'three basic inputs' for image making, eg. Focus, Aperture, ISO. All very direct on Leica and either minimal or no menus. That is what separates Leica and Sony. I am not putting Sony down. They make fine cameras, but their functionality does not suit photographers who are basically attracted to the Leica 'style'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 15, 2013 Share #64 Posted May 15, 2013 Decision was made, got the used Noct - wonderful! Congratulation! Now your steep learning curve begins. It's all fun! That pic has missed focus which is behind the eyes. Back focus can be a lens adjustment problem or an operator error. Easiest is to check for lens focus error. Set up a closely controlled test scenario with say a large metre rule and a clearly marked point on it, set it at 45 Deg to the camera on a tripod and shoot at a range of apertures. Start at 1mtr and range out as far as you are comfortable with, repeating all stops. This should satisfy you that the lens is OK. Now, check for operator error. It can happen often with a Noct and new owner. You need to practice, practice, prac...... focusing that lens. Over time you will get it right, consistently. Above all, enjoy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubb Jubb Posted May 15, 2013 Share #65 Posted May 15, 2013 Noctilux. Camera bodies will come and go. The Noctilux will be good and most likely retain more value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 15, 2013 Share #66 Posted May 15, 2013 ... I am very much looking forward to the upcoming NEX full-frame ... There is no such thing as an 'upcoming full-frame Sony NEX.' So you better don't hold your breath. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 15, 2013 Share #67 Posted May 15, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Fair suck of the sauce bottle Rick! MRJohn didn't want a Summarit. He wanted a Noctilux (or M240). He got the lens. Now he has to learn how to use it - not easy. Trust me, I know. His first (posted) pic is 'off focus' which could be due to several things. I have briefly suggested how to a grip on it all. The Noct is a veryfinicky lens to use wide open, which is exactly what every new user will attempt, often with failure. Then the learning start, or they sell it. Give him space. P.S. A Summarit does NOT force you to take sharp pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueweed Posted May 15, 2013 Share #68 Posted May 15, 2013 There is no such thing as an 'upcoming full-frame Sony NEX.' So you better don't hold your breath. I dont really think much of it too until I saw this, with a 50mm Summilux attached. I thought its pretty telling of things to come... A Full-Frame Sony NEX Put to the Test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 15, 2013 Share #69 Posted May 15, 2013 I dont really think much of it too until I saw this, with a 50mm Summilux attached. I thought its pretty telling of things to come...A Full-Frame Sony NEX Put to the Test I don't think that is telling of anything coming from Sony. Just a curious bit of 'Heath Robinson' fiddling by someone, but so far not commercially practical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueweed Posted May 15, 2013 Share #70 Posted May 15, 2013 Rx1---> nex vg900e---> patent filed for fullframe lense for mirrorless nex, I am not putting leica down in terms of evolution or the relevance of the view finder experience for the 'leica' look. point here and staying on topic 'where to invest'. Leica lense can only see further demand from the convergence of small form full frame because leica lens is the sexiest/most dense lense you can find and appreciate for its beauty, by itself. and hence my point, go all out on leica lens. I make this statement, invest in leica lense, indulge in leica bodies. seriously, sony to put a FF 35mm fix small form body jumping straight from the wormhole from rx100 and cannibalising their a slr's? the trajectory is pretty clear imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJohn Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share #71 Posted May 15, 2013 Now he has to learn how to use it - not easy. Trust me, I know. His first (posted) pic is 'off focus' which could be due to several things. I have briefly suggested how to a grip on it all. The Noct is a veryfinicky lens to use wide open, which is exactly what every new user will attempt, often with failure. Then the learning start, or they sell it. Thanks, "the story behind the picture" was that it was pre-focused since the subject of interest was quickly coming up a flight of stairs. I was a few milliseconds late, that's why the focus is off by 10-20 cm. Not a big deal in this picture, it would still make for a nice print after some postprocessing. What amazes me is how the head comes out of the blurr/cream, just as if somebody came out of water. Great lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJohn Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share #72 Posted May 15, 2013 Rx1---> nex vg900e---> patent filed for fullframe lense for mirrorless nex. Agree, once SIGMA, SONY, Fuji or Olympus start to go for FF with changeable lenses, the race will be on again between them. Question is who will do the first step. Choice is good, and you can always say no to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetersDreams Posted May 15, 2013 Share #73 Posted May 15, 2013 The only reliable way to focus a Noctilux wide open is .... .... to get a M (240) ... at least for me ... :-) Cheers Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 15, 2013 Share #74 Posted May 15, 2013 The only reliable way to focus a Noctilux wide open is .... .... to get a M (240) ... at least for me ... :-) Cheers Peter RF in any M better than any focus peaking IMHO At least for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 16, 2013 Share #75 Posted May 16, 2013 The only reliable way to focus a Noctilux wide open is .... .... to get a M (240) ... at least for me ... :-) Cheers Peter For you, at least, we must accept. However, for 15+ years I have been consistently using a Noct, NOT because I can't focus it. I think I am not alone. I think the focus peaking must be very useful (I am tempted) but, for the extra cost, extra bulk, extra weight, versus smaller form factor, I will presently stay with my M9 to drive my Noct, and of course my stable of film M's. However, I do envy you your M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted May 16, 2013 Share #76 Posted May 16, 2013 but, extra bulk, extra weight, versus smaller form factor, I will presently stay with my M9 to drive my Noct, and of course my stable of film M's. However, I do envy you your M240. what extra bulk and smaller form factor? Do you have a mini M9? extra weight is mostly battery...I cant really feel a significant difference. Regarding size, they are the same. Form factor?? Not sure what you mean...have you looked at the M240, its virtually the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 16, 2013 Share #77 Posted May 16, 2013 what extra bulk and smaller form factor? Do you have a mini M9? extra weight is mostly battery...I cant really feel a significant difference. Regarding size' date=' they are the same. Form factor?? Not sure what you mean...have you looked at the M240, its virtually the same.[/quote'] Prob means the EVF, which most definitely is extra bulk and FF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted May 16, 2013 Share #78 Posted May 16, 2013 Prob means the EVF, which most definitely is extra bulk and FF since the EVF is a option that comes off, not sure why. Its an option not available on the M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted May 16, 2013 Share #79 Posted May 16, 2013 since the EVF is a option that comes off' date=' not sure why. Its an option not available on the M9[/quote'] Good point. Just trying to guess what he was meaning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 16, 2013 Share #80 Posted May 16, 2013 what extra bulk and smaller form factor? Do you have a mini M9? extra weight is mostly battery...I cant really feel a significant difference. Regarding size, they are the same. Form factor?? Not sure what you mean...have you looked at the M240, its virtually the same. Clarification: The M240 to use 'focus peaking', which is the feature I was addressing, which demands (I believe) the fitting of the EVF. Hence, extra bulk, extra cost, both significant. The form factor is then no longer 'classic Leica'. Not always a deal breaker , but a consideration. Yes I have handled one briefly, but without the EVF and other 'add-ons'. My immediate reaction was, 'wow, it is thicker and heavier', but I know I could easily adapt to that, as I did when moving from M6 to M7 to M8 to M9. P.S. My M9 is 'mini' alongside the M240, by a small margin. But then my 111f is mini alongside any of them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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