castelletta Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share #21 Posted March 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Lars, I appreciate very much your suggestion and the note about tri-elmar distortion at 28. For this I'm convinced to go with the Elmarit 28 mm f/2,8 and the Summicron 50 mm f/2 or, alternatively, the Apo Summicron 75mm f/2. I mostly shoot landscapes, portraits and architectures. It would be a good choice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 31, 2007 Posted March 31, 2007 Hi castelletta, Take a look here Tri Elmar 28-35-50/4.0 Asph on M8, is worth it?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
nic Posted March 31, 2007 Share #22 Posted March 31, 2007 Ciao Roberto. Two Summicron's 28 and 75 mm would be a very good choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 31, 2007 Share #23 Posted March 31, 2007 I own the primes and the Tri-E. 28-35-50 and the Tri-E stays a lot of time on my M8. I do not shoot much architecture but more landscape, friends, people etc. and have not found distorsion to be a problem wit the TE. Another thing is that for some reason my TE just focuses perfect on my M8 (slightly better than some of my primes at f4.0) and this is pretty important. WHen I had the TE I would want at least one additional fast lens (f2 or faster) for low light and for shallow DOF. IMO a 28 or 35 Summicron + TE is a great combo. During day I often carry 15cv + TE + 90/2.8. What you dont get with the TE is the nice smooth bokeh and shallow DOF you get with a 50lux. Since I own my TE I find to make much less compromise regarding focal length (when shooting primes I am sometimes not switching lens because I am too lazy). Cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielt Posted March 31, 2007 Share #24 Posted March 31, 2007 I own the TE 28-35-50 1st version, 28/2.8 ashp, Biogon 35/2, Cron 50/2 , and the TE stay on my M8 90% of the time. I shot basically outdoors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucek Posted March 31, 2007 Share #25 Posted March 31, 2007 I would like to see those pictures !!!!!! I'm working on getting them on my smugmug site. When I do I will post the links. But life (work) has had me doing some things that I'd rather not be doing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted March 31, 2007 Share #26 Posted March 31, 2007 If you have never worked with M-type Leicas or rangefinder cameras in general, the first thing to learn is to work with one focal length. Experienced photogs mount maybe a 28, and subconsciously they also put on '28 mm eyes'. They see that 28 mm picture before they even raise the camera to their eyes. This is the recipe for fast work, and is easier to learn than you think. Just go out with one single prime lens! It is an education. With experience you will also learn which lens is appropriate for which situation, and for your kind of seing. The frame preview lever is a great learning tool. Beginning with a zoom, even a TE, will mean that you will forever stand fiddling with the zoom ring, instead of taking pictures. Either a 35 mm ('long normal') or 28 ('short normal') are good starting lenses. In the days of the M2, some folks travelled around the world with a 35 and a 90; our equivalents would be 28 and 75 mm. Henri Cartier-Bresson travelled around the globe with a 50 mm Summicron! If forced to do the Grand Tour with one lens, I would unhesitatingly chose the 35 Summilux ASPH. The old man from the Age of the M2 This, ladies and gentlemen, is a pearl of wisdom! Very wise advice, IMHO... Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted March 31, 2007 Share #27 Posted March 31, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The TE shows some 3% barrel distortion at 28 mm. That is very definitely noticeable. (The new Wide Angle Tri-Elmar is just the same.) If you have never worked with M-type Leicas or rangefinder cameras in general, the first thing to learn is to work with one focal length. Experienced photogs mount maybe a 28, and subconsciously they also put on '28 mm eyes'. They see that 28 mm picture before they even raise the camera to their eyes. This is the recipe for fast work, and is easier to learn than you think. Just go out with one single prime lens! It is an education. With experience you will also learn which lens is appropriate for which situation, and for your kind of seing. The frame preview lever is a great learning tool. Beginning with a zoom, even a TE, will mean that you will forever stand fiddling with the zoom ring, instead of taking pictures. Either a 35 mm ('long normal') or 28 ('short normal') are good starting lenses. In the days of the M2, some folks travelled around the world with a 35 and a 90; our equivalents would be 28 and 75 mm. Henri Cartier-Bresson travelled around the globe with a 50 mm Summicron! If forced to do the Grand Tour with one lens, I would unhesitatingly chose the 35 Summilux ASPH. The old man from the Age of the M2 I couldnt agree more. I think. m8 is my first rangefinder, and used 1st gen tri-elmar (i thought i got a very decent deal from adorama). was my first lense. Now, i've only had it for two weeks, and things should improve, but i found the whole experience of having to choose between 28, 35 and 50, to be a bit distracting from the main reasons why i went the rangefinder way to begin with. for example, i seem to have much more fun with CV 15mm at this point. If i had a choice, my first option would probably be the new 28mm elmarit. i might still switch, as such lenses as trielmars dont really go down in price much.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 31, 2007 Share #28 Posted March 31, 2007 I couldnt agree more. I think. m8 is my first rangefinder, and used 1st gen tri-elmar (i thought i got a very decent deal from adorama). was my first lense. Now, i've only had it for two weeks, and things should improve, but i found the whole experience of having to choose between 28, 35 and 50, to be a bit distracting from the main reasons why i went the rangefinder way to begin with. for example, i seem to have much more fun with CV 15mm at this point. If i had a choice, my first option would probably be the new 28mm elmarit. i might still switch, as such lenses as trielmars dont really go down in price much.. Why then not just leave the TE at 28mm for 1 month, then at 35mm for one month? The TE gives you the option to switch but you dont have to. I dont understand the problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha Posted March 31, 2007 Share #29 Posted March 31, 2007 you are right, of course. but this is easier said than done good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 31, 2007 Share #30 Posted March 31, 2007 Lars, I appreciate very much your suggestion and the note about tri-elmar distortion at 28. For this I'm convinced to go with the Elmarit 28 mm f/2,8 and the Summicron 50 mm f/2 or, alternatively, the Apo Summicron 75mm f/2. I mostly shoot landscapes, portraits and architectures. It would be a good choice? Glad you found my advice worth listening to – that does always please an old man. Now I would second the suggestion of a 28 mm Summicron. That 28 is going to be your mainstay lens, and while the need for extreme lens speed is less with the M8, you will often wish that you had it in your 'short standard lens'. And that Summicron is a fabulous lens especially for low light photography, with its remarkable resistance to flare and internal reflections. I know it is expensive. But if you go for a 75, then I want to put in a word for the Cosina/Voigtländer 75 mm Color-Heliar. It is light and compact, not much larger than a 50 mm lens, the performance is remarkably good, and at the price it is a steal. It is a screw-thread lens, needs a bayonet adapter (from C/V) and cannot be coded, but this is not an issue with focal lengths longer than 35 mm. Just clap a 486 filter on it and fire away. I bought this lens because after a 28 Summicron and an M8 I couldn't really afford a Summicron 75. And while this is undoubtedly an outstanding lens (and weighs 440 grams) my experiences with the C/V lens has made my desire for the 'cron much less. That Color-Heliar is a keeper on its own merits. The old man from the Age of Folding Roll-film Cameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 31, 2007 Share #31 Posted March 31, 2007 Well, I still vote for the TE but I second that the 28/2.0asph is a great lens and if I had to go with just one prime the 28cron would be it. cheers,tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrmurray Posted March 31, 2007 Share #32 Posted March 31, 2007 Roberto: I love the Tri-Elmar, esp. for travel and general use, but certainly as a "daytime" lens -- you'll need something faster for low-light, like a 28mm or 35mm summicron/lux. I've also found myself shooting it a lot on the "50" position (67mm actually), even though I've never been much for the 50mm focal length, which obviously changed with the M8 1.33x crop factor. Good luck with your lens choices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted March 31, 2007 Share #33 Posted March 31, 2007 Just out of curiosity, could someone post an image of an M8 with the Tri-Elmar attached? Just want to see what the combo looks like. Thanks, - Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 31, 2007 Share #34 Posted March 31, 2007 As requested - this is obviously without the lens hood. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/20205-tri-elmar-28-35-5040-asph-on-m8-is-worth-it/?do=findComment&comment=217060'>More sharing options...
castelletta Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share #35 Posted March 31, 2007 Lars with his words has remembered me the reasons of my recent switch to Leica M8. I wanted to return to the roots of the pure photography conceived as an art. I was also very tired with all those redundant digital SLR functions, all those plastics, all that hurry, al the commodities of the "digital era photography". All those were simply distracting and laziness-inducing. Yes, I know, there are many "PRO" situations in wich all that authomatism and speed can really make the difference. But all that situations, to my eyes, seem to fall beyond the pure art of photographing, the art of discovering, of exploring and most importantly of "thinking before taking pictures". Yes maybe with a poor set of lenses I'll lose some shots but who said? It can appens that I'll change the point of view, the perspective, not simply the shooting angle and that I'll end up with a better picture. Best things are always simple, made of less. So, today, I bought a single lens, the Summicron 35 f/2 and I'm ready to discover the world around, not to be simply comfortable with my equipment. One more time: thank you very much Lars! You reopened my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted March 31, 2007 Share #36 Posted March 31, 2007 Thanks Steve - C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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