algrove Posted April 6, 2013 Share #21 Posted April 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you are talking the 21/2.8 E60 #11134 with squarish lens hood, I agree. It is also uses filters work with Noctilux and 75/1.4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iedei Posted April 6, 2013 Share #22 Posted April 6, 2013 Don't compare to the Elmarit asph to avoid an heartache i've used the ASPH version as well...it was great! but i didn't feel a huge difference between the pre-ASPH and ASPH aside from a little more sharpness. I actually preferred the build quality and the price of the pre-ASPH which is why i chose this one....ASPH is a great choice too, but priced more ($500 more, at least) and with very minimal differences, really. If you are talking the 21/2.8 E60 #11134 with squarish lens hood, I agree. It is also uses filters work with Noctilux and 75/1.4. that's the one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 6, 2013 Share #23 Posted April 6, 2013 […] i didn't feel a huge difference between the pre-ASPH and ASPH aside from a little more sharpness […] ...ASPH is a great choice too, but priced more ($500 more, at least) and with very minimal differences, really. ... M8 user speaking i presume? The main weakness of the pre-asph version is its softness on edges and corners which is probably less of a problem on crop cameras. I have no experience with it though so take what i say with a pinch of salt. BTW the little CV 21/4 is a stellar performer on my M8.2. Slightly softer that the Elmarit asph at f/4 but otherwise no significant difference in a tiny package which is a joy to use IMHO. (Below with Elmarit-M 21/2.8 asph and Super-Angulon-R 21/4). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/201906-wide-angle-lens-choice/?do=findComment&comment=2292507'>More sharing options...
iedei Posted April 7, 2013 Share #24 Posted April 7, 2013 lct: i'm actually a big fan of 'larger' lenses....so the size was actually a bonus for me, as the 21mm pre-ASPH is huuuge! love the weight and substantial dimensions. I've never used the CV 21mm...but i'm not a big CV fan as it is. but your point is true that if someone doesn't like larger lenses, then the Elmarit probably won't work out in ASPH or pre-ASPH form, as both are quite large. I've never experienced soft corners on the M8 with the pre-ASPH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted April 7, 2013 Share #25 Posted April 7, 2013 I am planning a trip to Yosemite this June. My standard kit is 28 Cron and 50 Lux. I am exploring purchase of a better wide angle lens to bring along instead of my CV 21. Suggestions welcome.[/QUOT the only wide angle i have is zeiss zm 25mm. i can't say it's better than zeiss zm 21mm, but i think these two are the best wide angle for leica m. the best in the sense that they have the least distortion, the highest resolution, the best flare resistane, and the magic zeiss color and out of focus rendering. and, did i mention the price? if you do get one or both of these two lenses, i strongly recommend the voigtlander 90degree (for gound level or low angle shhoting) variable angle finder. in fact, i'd rather get this finder without the lens than get the lens without this finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted April 7, 2013 Share #26 Posted April 7, 2013 I am planning a trip to Yosemite this June. My standard kit is 28 Cron and 50 Lux. I am exploring purchase of a better wide angle lens to bring along instead of my CV 21. Suggestions welcome. please show us your picutes when you come back. but i beg you, please do not take any scene that makes you looks like ansel adam. that will make you looks any any body. i have a name for it, the ansel adam desease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share #27 Posted April 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am not sure if I can ask this question on the forum, but is it worth spending more on a 21 Elmarit M in near mint condition, over a new 21 Super-Elmar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted April 7, 2013 Share #28 Posted April 7, 2013 I'd get the 21 3.4 SE in a heartbeat if thats the deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted April 7, 2013 Share #29 Posted April 7, 2013 I am not sure if I can ask this question on the forum, but is it worth spending more on a 21 Elmarit M in near mint condition, over a new 21 Super-Elmar? The Elmarit ASPH (i'm assuming you are referring to ASPH in this price range) should be cheaper than the Super Elmar (mainly as the SE is a newer lens).....it's possibly the Elmarit you're looking at is a bit overpriced....OR conversely the Super Elmar you've seen is too cheap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 7, 2013 Share #30 Posted April 7, 2013 I am not sure if I can ask this question on the forum, but is it worth spending more on a 21 Elmarit M in near mint condition, over a new 21 Super-Elmar? You are kidding??? The Super-Elmar is a fabulous lens! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertJRB Posted April 7, 2013 Share #31 Posted April 7, 2013 I am not sure if I can ask this question on the forum, but is it worth spending more on a 21 Elmarit M in near mint condition, over a new 21 Super-Elmar? Only if u really need the f/2.8 and like a bit more characer (read, little les perfect) in the pictures. If u want the best 21mm, and can live with the f/3.4, the SE is the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted April 7, 2013 Share #32 Posted April 7, 2013 You are kidding??? The Super-Elmar is a fabulous lens! it is. but back to back, i'd say the Elmarit has more character for sure....the SE would be sharper and more technical.....and a tad bit slower! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted April 7, 2013 Share #33 Posted April 7, 2013 ....the SE would be sharper and more technical..... and very flare resistant too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted April 7, 2013 Share #34 Posted April 7, 2013 and very flare resistant too. fortunately the 21mm Elmarit is very flare resistent with the plastic hood....and i've used mine a lot of heavy sun and outdoor use with hardly any flare ever... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 7, 2013 Share #35 Posted April 7, 2013 I am not sure if I can ask this question on the forum, but is it worth spending more on a 21 Elmarit M in near mint condition, over a new 21 Super-Elmar? I have both and like both, but the undisputed leader IMHO is the 21 SEM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted April 7, 2013 Share #36 Posted April 7, 2013 in practise the half stop doesn't really matter imo. it's more a thing of your mind as f/3.4 just sounds quite slow.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted April 7, 2013 Share #37 Posted April 7, 2013 in practise the half stop doesn't really matter imo. it's more a thing of your mind as f/3.4 just sounds quite slow.. it's significant when comparing shutter speeds. the same as the difference between a Summilux and Summicron....which is definitely noticeable for people who shoot wide open most of the time (such as myself). I suppose if one doesn't shoot wide open.....of course none of this would matter, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted April 7, 2013 Share #38 Posted April 7, 2013 in practise the half stop doesn't really matter imo. it's more a thing of your mind as f/3.4 just sounds quite slow.. It's just that the 21 SEM is a more modern design and therefore sharper corner to corner IMHO. Most for landscape photography will use a tripod so f stop speed does not come into play as much as in other types of photography plus often in landscape many go for f5.6-8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted April 8, 2013 Share #39 Posted April 8, 2013 the same as the difference between a Summilux and Summicron.... summilux vs summicron is 1 full stop apart f/2.8 and f/3.4 is 1/2 stop apart i can understand that 1 full stop really matters but I see no difference between the f/2.5 and f/2.8 on the summarits vs an elmarit which is 1/3 stop. I can hardly see why 1/6th stop more difference will make such a huge disadvantage.. if it matters for the shutter speed take a deep breath and exhale slowly, this should work, as it did today for me, hand holding 1/12th with a 50mm and getting a surprisingly good image out of this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share #40 Posted April 8, 2013 My confusion came from looking at eBAY prices. There are quite a few 21 Elmarit-M ASPH being advertised at prices ranging from 3000-4600 USD and the 21 SEM has a list price of <3000 USD. Was it because the list price of the 21 Elmarit-M was much more when it was being sold by Leica? I would definitely prefer the 21 SEM at the lower price and full warranty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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