dwbell Posted November 28, 2013 Share #61 Posted November 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can someone please enlighten me on why it takes so long for leica to fix this auto iso issue.. It's all part of the 'charm'. I was really enjoying waiting for the M9 firmware fix. Oh the excitement! When will it come? 2013, 2014, 2015? And as if that wasn't pant wettingly exciting enough they throw in a double surprise! The new firmware will introduce NEW glitches! Yes! That's right! The excitement starts ALL OVER AGAIN! Scream if you wanna go faster! Or just scream, then get off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Hi dwbell, Take a look here Leica M240 Auto ISO. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest roey Posted November 28, 2013 Share #62 Posted November 28, 2013 Errr.. It has a manual dial with an "A"(tomatic) setting. It is not a point-and shoot mode dial. But you are proposing that we treat it as a mode dial, by stating that it should control the ISO setting as well as the shutter speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pieterpronk Posted November 28, 2013 Share #63 Posted November 28, 2013 But you are proposing that we treat it as a mode dial, by stating that it should control the ISO setting as well as the shutter speed. Hmmm, the man has a point... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2013 Share #64 Posted November 28, 2013 But you are proposing that we treat it as a mode dial, by stating that it should control the ISO setting as well as the shutter speed.Where did i say that ? Please point me to that post. I have been proposing to make it a choice in the menu all along. And how could it control the ISO setting? ISO is controlled by the thumb wheel and ISO button. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted November 28, 2013 Share #65 Posted November 28, 2013 Where did i say that ? I believe you said that when you switch the shutter speed dial to a specific value other than A it should turn off auto ISO. Or did I misunderstand you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 28, 2013 Share #66 Posted November 28, 2013 Yes. If you switch to manual by taking the camera off A it should be manual with no vestiges of automatism to mess up your exposure. Or the camera should have a option to be able to control exposure automatically by Auto-ISO with a fixed aperture and shutter speed. The user should have the option to choose either setting according to the use the camera will be put to with a minimum of fuss. Not the way it is implemented now, with half the users not being able to use the camera as they would like to, nor the way it was before with the other half dissatisfied with the implementation. And then there is the bug that Auto-ISO is displayed when it is not functioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted November 28, 2013 Share #67 Posted November 28, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes. If you switch to manual by taking the camera off A it should be manual with no vestiges of automatism to mess up your ... That was my point. I want to treat the dial as the shutter speed dial. You view it as a kind of mode dial with one A and a bunch of M settings. I understand where you are coming from, but I don't think this is particular intuitive. Especially if you view ISO as an independent exposure variable on equal footing with shutter speed and aperture I agree that once/if Leica offers an option to turn off this automatism I will be be able to use auto ISO the way I used to with my previous cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 29, 2013 Share #68 Posted November 29, 2013 So you want a separate shutter speed dial and a switch for Manual, AI only, AI with AE and AE fixed ISO. I’m not sure that solution would win universal acclaim. Certainly not mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted November 29, 2013 Share #69 Posted November 29, 2013 So you want a separate shutter speed dial and a switch for Manual, AI only, AI with AE and AE fixed ISO. I’m not sure that solution would win universal acclaim. Certainly not mine. No. I want a shutter speed dial and a way to set the ISO (ideally a dial). Each control should have specific fixed values and an option for auto. Two controls/dials only with each controlling only one thing -- no magic side effects. Basically what the M8/9 offered . Easy to understand and very flexible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 29, 2013 Share #70 Posted November 29, 2013 Did the M8/9 have an ISO dial? Yes, it has been proposed to have a lift-and-turn action for ISO on the shutter speed dial like many film cameras had. Such a hardware change wish belongs in the “next M” thread, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted November 29, 2013 Share #71 Posted November 29, 2013 I've never even had to discuss Auto ISO on my other cameras. I think that's interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted November 29, 2013 Share #72 Posted November 29, 2013 Not sure if it was mentioned here, but the AutoISO doesn't work in the video mode too. It only works in a video mode if one sets the dial to A. Further on, why is there only max ISO in AutoISO to be chosen? For example, when one uses f1.4 lens or faster, sometimes it would be useful for ISO to go to pull 100 and save some highlights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest odeon Posted December 16, 2013 Share #73 Posted December 16, 2013 I heard good news. We may see it next week. Thanks to Meister Camera, Munich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePengu1n Posted December 19, 2013 Share #74 Posted December 19, 2013 +1 allowing the user to set the aperture and shutter speed with autoIso defined by a user max. It's very useful in variable light situations. I don't really understand why it's such an issue as it controls the level of 'noise' one is willing to accept in an image. DOF and motion is still controlled by the photographer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 19, 2013 Share #75 Posted December 19, 2013 Not sure if it was mentioned here, but the AutoISO doesn't work in the video mode too. It only works in a video mode if one sets the dial to A. Further on, why is there only max ISO in AutoISO to be chosen? For example, when one uses f1.4 lens or faster, sometimes it would be useful for ISO to go to pull 100 and save some highlights. Imo pull 100 is quite useless as it squashes the dynamic range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocklebeast Posted December 22, 2013 Share #76 Posted December 22, 2013 It appears that the latest firmware update 2.0.0.12 does not address the auto-ISO issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted December 22, 2013 Share #77 Posted December 22, 2013 It appears that the latest firmware update 2.0.0.12 does not address the auto-ISO issue. Yes. Leica has released a firmware update 2.0.0.12. Now new Leica M240 cameras will be delivered with this update – but there are no differences in function or operation. Emphasis added by myself. source: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/news/311589-leica-m-firmware-update-version-2-a.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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