algrove Posted March 2, 2013 Share #21 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since the new FW update was mostly for wide angle lenses, I am a bit befuddled as to why that was not included with the original FW as I only can assume the guys (Jono and Chris) must have had input on that aspect early on. Â Jono and Chris-- Â Is there a chance they had it ready from testing input, but someone neglected to add it to cameras already boxed and ready for shipment. Did not you give this type of input when using the M? Â If Leica US got their "shipment" mid-this week, there is a chance what with customs clearance and ground and air shipping times, it left Solms around Monday or even last Friday. Â My last three experiences with Leica NJ with new product (Monochrom, APO50 and now the M) is that they ship to stores on Thursday with stores receiving the product on Friday. Then the stores hand deliver or post the product to end users on Friday assuming UPS delivers early enough to the store so that the store has enough time to repack fast enough for their later UPS pickup that same day. In this way it is most difficult for end users to get product even on Saturday (forget Friday) if they are located out of town without considerable shipping expense. Â For those of you who live outside the US, it is typical to get free ground shipping on Leica and other photographic equipment. If you pick up at your local store, you pay the State sales tax ranging from maybe as low as 5% up to nearly 10% say in NYC. IF you buy from out of state, it is up to you to voluntarily pay your local sales tax on internet or other out of state purchases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted March 2, 2013 Share #22 Â Posted March 2, 2013 I think it was not so much to maintain a "promise" to the market (after all, I seem that they didn't declare a precise date) ... 4 or 5 days later wouldn't have made difference for customers... but to keep a certain timing on corporate revenue : even if they aren't anymore a publicy listed Company, they do have financial entities as shareolders, and such entities are very sensible towards achieving certain goals at certain times : they have been able to book revenues in February and not in March, and this can make a difference for someone. Â I was trying to make this point just a few weeks or so ago on this forum, but no one wanted to accept that nor admit that Leica's FY ending on 31 March would influence when the M would be released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted March 2, 2013 Share #23  Posted March 2, 2013 The Nikon D300 was replaced by the D300s that is ‘just’ 3.5 years old. A product cycle of 3 years seems to be the norm, entry-level DSLRs being an exception. And btw, firmware updates at the heels of the camera they are intended for are actually not that unusual.  Firmware updates are quite common with Canon, and I take no issue with that at all. I believe there was a firmware update on the heels of either the IDX or the 5D mkIII. Leica may already have had a large number of bodies ready to ship, much easier to issue a firmware update than unpack and reinstall. I see no reason to over analyse a firmware update. After all how many updates does Mac issue, I see it as a way of continually improving the product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 2, 2013 Share #24 Â Posted March 2, 2013 I was trying to make this point just a few weeks or so ago on this forum, but no one wanted to accept that nor admit that Leica's FY ending on 31 March would influence when the M would be released. And is there any reason to accept it now? Why would Leica rush out the camera on 28 February when they could just as well have taken their time to ship it with the latest firmware installed? 31 March is still four weeks away after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted March 2, 2013 Share #25 Â Posted March 2, 2013 During the entire life of my Nikon D3, I think there were two firmware updates. Leica have surpassed themselves by getting the first firmware update out in, what, two days? Â If this makes you uncomfortable, you probably should stay with your Nikon. Â It's obvious the hardware is perfectly ready to release and I believe the initial firmware is good enough. This is all required to decide whether the initial product is ready. If the firmware ware can be quickly upgraded, it only shows Leica is a responsible for the quality. In this situation, a less responsible company could hide the improvement until the problem become unhidible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted March 2, 2013 Share #26 Â Posted March 2, 2013 And is there any reason to accept it now? Why would Leica rush out the camera on 28 February when they could just as well have taken their time to ship it with the latest firmware installed? 31 March is still four weeks away after all. Â If you think about the manufacturing process, there has to be a point at which you say "that's it" and install a stable firmware for shipping before the cameras are boxed and ready to ship. There were probably several hundred or maybe even several thousand in the first manufacturing production run that have been sitting on a shelf waiting for the stable firmware install go-ahead. After that's installed, and they're boxed and in warehouses for shipping, unless there's a fatal flaw that amounts to a recall, they don't get unboxed and re-boxed. That process invites damage to the packaging, or worse the unit itself. The first camera ready for shipping has probably been in the box now for some time already just waiting for enough units to be ready to be shipped. Â It makes both fiscal and practical sense to continue to work on the firmware and then to push it out to consumers for installation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 2, 2013 Share #27 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Â During the entire life of my Nikon D3, I think there were two firmware updates. Â Oh dear, I seemed to have missed an update of my Nikon D3. where can I download it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterP Posted March 2, 2013 Share #28 Â Posted March 2, 2013 M (Typ 240) Firmware Version 1.1.0.2. 1. Improvement of vignetting corrections for the following lenses: Leica Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm/f4 ASPH. Leica Super-Elmar-M18mm/f3.8 ASPH. Leica Summilux-M 21mm/f1.4 ASPH. Leica Super-Elmar-M 21mm/f3.4 ASPH. Leica Summilux-M 24mm/f1.4 ASPH. Leica Elmarit-M 24mm/f2.8 ASPH. Leica Elmar-M 24mm/f3.8 ASPH. Leica Summicron-M 28mm/f2.0 ASPH. Leica Elmarit-M 28mm/f2.8 ASPH. Leica Summilux-M 35mm/f1.4 ASPH. Leica Summicron-M 35mm/f2.0 ASPH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted March 2, 2013 Share #29 Â Posted March 2, 2013 If this makes you uncomfortable, you probably should stay with your Nikon. Â Patronising drivel. About par for the course nowadays in this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 2, 2013 Share #30 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Patronising drivel. About par for the course nowadays in this forum. Â Â Why the generalization? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted March 2, 2013 Share #31 Â Posted March 2, 2013 M (Typ 240) Firmware Version 1.1.0.2.1. Improvement of vignetting corrections for the following lenses: Leica Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm/f4 ASPH. Leica Super-Elmar-M18mm/f3.8 ASPH. Leica Summilux-M 21mm/f1.4 ASPH. Leica Super-Elmar-M 21mm/f3.4 ASPH. Leica Summilux-M 24mm/f1.4 ASPH. Leica Elmarit-M 24mm/f2.8 ASPH. Leica Elmar-M 24mm/f3.8 ASPH. Leica Summicron-M 28mm/f2.0 ASPH. Leica Elmarit-M 28mm/f2.8 ASPH. Leica Summilux-M 35mm/f1.4 ASPH. Leica Summicron-M 35mm/f2.0 ASPH. Â I still don't understand how these vignetting corrections work as vignetting differ with the apperture set on the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 2, 2013 Share #32 Â Posted March 2, 2013 The camera guesstimates the aperture by comparing ambient light with the actual measurement. The corrections on the M should be less drastic than on the M9 due to the different design of the microlenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 2, 2013 Share #33  Posted March 2, 2013 It makes both fiscal and practical sense to continue to work on the firmware and then to push it out to consumers for installation. Of course, but that’s beside the point. The question was whether Leica would hasten to rush out a camera on 28 February when the deadline supposedly to be met was 31 March. Assuming there was a fixed deadline to be met. In any case there can be little doubt that the much larger part of this year’s production will ship after 31 March, not before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 2, 2013 Share #34 Â Posted March 2, 2013 And is there any reason to accept it now? Why would Leica rush out the camera on 28 February when they could just as well have taken their time to ship it with the latest firmware installed? 31 March is still four weeks away after all. Â Maybe because the latest firmware could not readied before the first M's which had been boxed and either ready to send or in shipping to send. Â I find a FW update a minor event versus not shipping. Remember if they ship in February they get funds before 31 March. Payment terms are worth looking at very closely. Â Unlike your wonderful magazine, Leica do not get paid a year in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 2, 2013 Share #35 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Starting the roll-out on 28 February, even when there was a firmware update already waiting in the wings, could be taken to imply that for some reason, 28 February was an important deadline, although it is far from conclusive. And it suggests that 31 March carried no significance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted March 2, 2013 Share #36 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Starting the roll-out on 28 February, even when there was a firmware update already waiting in the wings, could be taken to imply that for some reason, 28 February was an important deadline, although it is far from conclusive. And it suggests that 31 March carried no significance. Â It has significance if terms are 30 days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted March 2, 2013 Share #37 Â Posted March 2, 2013 The horse picture on your website is magnificent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted March 2, 2013 Share #38 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Starting the roll-out on 28 February, even when there was a firmware update already waiting in the wings, could be taken to imply that for some reason, 28 February was an important deadline, although it is far from conclusive. And it suggests that 31 March carried no significance. Â It could be as significant as someone's child's birthday. On the other hand, it's probably more likely that it has to do with interest payments, cash flow, income projections and shipping pipeline cost concerns. It may have started out as a negotiated date on a calendar a year ago, and as the date became closer, finance concerns became more and more of a consideration. Â Frankly, unless you're privy to high-level management conversations, we'll probably never know exactly why that date was chosen. It most assuredly has to do more with business concerns than product-centric or production concerns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chako Posted March 2, 2013 Share #39 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Yes the m is Redy.....tomorrow more on flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photogeek Posted March 2, 2013 Share #40 Â Posted March 2, 2013 Where is the firmware update for the Monochrom...? During Photokina, Leica told me that a new FW will be issued before the end of autumn... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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