thighslapper Posted January 27, 2013 Share #21 Posted January 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Huh... look at the woman's eyeglasses and coffee cups. Little did she know she would awake to become one of the most famous photographic subjects out there. Unless I am going blind the plane of focus runs through her L shoulder to the stack of cups. Face and glasses are out of focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 Hi thighslapper, Take a look here First M240 RAW files released.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Lightwrangler Posted January 27, 2013 Share #22 Posted January 27, 2013 In case anyone is having trouble downloading the DNG files, I've created mirrors for each below. This stuff forces you to download Chrome. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted January 27, 2013 Share #23 Posted January 27, 2013 The Leica M-240 will be released in limited numbers through selected dealers by the earliest in March 2013. Can't say I'm happy reading "limited" and "selected" in that sentence. If it's ready, release the damn thing, don't piss around. Hoping it's a translation / context of conversation mis-quote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCharlton Posted January 27, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted January 27, 2013 This stuff forces you to download Chrome. Mike No, it's only a recommendation. Just hit "no thanks" on the prompt. It works on Safari, no issues. I don't know about IE or Firefox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 27, 2013 Share #25 Posted January 27, 2013 Finally. Looking at the DNG of what I'll call the pool shot, it is about 1/2 stop under exposed. Bringing up the exposure .55 helps a lot. Over all on first look it seems pretty good. It is interesting that Dr Rhode states that noise is very low and the camera exhibits what seems like 6db increased dynamic range over the M9! If, that is close to what it is then, that would be 17.63 as a dynamic range on DxO! Hard to believe. I'd settle for 3db. He also feels it is sharper, of course than the M9, which at its best with best lens(any Leica) is sharper than the 5DII with its own lens, as tested by LensRentals. So, the M is going to be in the range of the D800. From reading about the CMOSIS sensor design marketing statements, it sure seemed like the sensor was going to perform well if, it did what they said it was designed to do. It looks and sounds like it may do just that. Considering these shots are from last year, It would be an understatement to say that I'm pleased from what I can see. Oh, ISO 320 on these shots... Can't wait to see ISO 6,400 with noise that "is slightly visible in some corners." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 27, 2013 Share #26 Posted January 27, 2013 Yet to see anything startlingly different to M9 images..... The main difference is, taking image files like this is going to cost you a bunch more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 27, 2013 Share #27 Posted January 27, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The main difference is, taking image files like this is going to cost you a bunch more money. .... yes ..... and the only way I am going to find out if there is any meaningful difference is to buy one of the damn things and try it out..... .... but there again that's how camera manufacuters part the gullible and financially incontinent from their money ...... errrr .... and that sounds suspiciously like me.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted January 27, 2013 Share #28 Posted January 27, 2013 Oh, ISO 320 on these shots... Can't wait to see ISO 6,400 with noise that "is slightly visible in some corners." I felt the noise in the OOF areas of medium to low luminance was quite bitty in these ISO320 shots. More than I was expecting. Could just be an increase in resolution I suppose. Also my M9 comes in with an ISO specific NR preset, so I haven't seen it's real 320 noise in some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 27, 2013 Share #29 Posted January 27, 2013 No, it's only a recommendation. Just hit "no thanks" on the prompt. It works on Safari, no issues. I don't know about IE or Firefox. Firefox works just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 27, 2013 Share #30 Posted January 27, 2013 Hello Michael - Do you have any comment on if it is possible for the M to have a 6db higher dynamic range from CMOSIS' sensor design? If it is anything close to this it will should be amazing. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted January 27, 2013 Share #31 Posted January 27, 2013 Hello Michael - Do you have any comment on if it is possible for the M to have a 6db higher dynamic range from CMOSIS' sensor design? If it is anything close to this it will should be amazing. Rick Dxo measures M9 11.7 and D800 at 14.4 EVS. What does the db compare to in terms of EVS is that the same number? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 27, 2013 Share #32 Posted January 27, 2013 I felt the noise in the OOF areas of medium to low luminance was quite bitty in these ISO320 shots. More than I was expecting. Could just be an increase in resolution I suppose. Also my M9 comes in with an ISO specific NR preset, so I haven't seen it's real 320 noise in some time. A couple of observations - Yes I see what you mean in for example the bar-photo. The white wall next to the blue door molding is a little noisy but, it is handled well with the color noise reduction in LR. Also, there isn't a lot of purple fringe in these shots, which is good, and what is there is easy to remove with the defringe tool in LR. While zooming in I think I like the pixel structure. It makes me hope that we might get a pleasant grainy structure in our noise. Color from the DNG on the bartenders face looks good and without the "red nose" effect. So, either she isn't sampling the goods too much or the camera seems to be handling the reds pretty well. Again, for old files, this is more than encouraging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted January 27, 2013 Share #33 Posted January 27, 2013 Dxo measures M9 11.7 and D800 at 14.4 EVS. What does the db compare to in terms of EVS is that the same number? If it means 17 something. EVS I have a hard time believing that. Somehow I don't think this small company will put out something better than the current best sensor company in the world (Sony), by a large margin. Canon isnt even close. I'd guess it won't even top the charts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 27, 2013 Share #34 Posted January 27, 2013 Finally. Looking at the DNG of what I'll call the pool shot, it is about 1/2 stop under exposed. Bringing up the exposure .55 helps a lot. Over all on first look it seems pretty good. It is interesting that Dr Rhode states that noise is very low and the camera exhibits what seems like 6db increased dynamic range over the M9! If, that is close to what it is then, that would be 17.63 as a dynamic range on DxO! Hard to believe. I'd settle for 3db. He also feels it is sharper, of course than the M9, which at its best with best lens(any Leica) is sharper than the 5DII with its own lens, as tested by LensRentals. So, the M is going to be in the range of the D800. From reading about the CMOSIS sensor design marketing statements, it sure seemed like the sensor was going to perform well if, it did what they said it was designed to do. It looks and sounds like it may do just that. Considering these shots are from last year, It would be an understatement to say that I'm pleased from what I can see. Oh, ISO 320 on these shots... Can't wait to see ISO 6,400 with noise that "is slightly visible in some corners." Although it comes as no surprise, these files are going to make it very hard to keep my resolve to stick with the M9 DR and colour handling seem to be significantly improved. This may well cost me an ice-cream, dessert and sarcastic post by IW - apart from the Euros for the camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 27, 2013 Share #35 Posted January 27, 2013 I am pretty happy with these files. I pulled the flowers in ACR and pushed exposure by 1.15 stops, then set the blacks to zero and decrease the contrast to a point where there is no clipping in neither the blacks nor the whites, and I do see some slight banding in the shadows. Now, I would assume that a properly exposed photo won't show this, but I am still reserving judgement. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/197047-first-m240-raw-files-released/?do=findComment&comment=2226629'>More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 27, 2013 Share #36 Posted January 27, 2013 Although it comes as no surprise, these files are going to make it very hard to keep my resolve to stick with the M9 DR and colour handling seem to be significantly improved. This may well cost me an ice-cream, dessert and sarcastic post by IW - apart from the Euros for the camera... Just the fact that you can forget about LAB! for fixing the reds should be enough of an advantage for you to get the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 27, 2013 Share #37 Posted January 27, 2013 Do you have any comment on if it is possible for the M to have a 6db higher dynamic range from CMOSIS' sensor design? If it is anything close to this it will should be amazing. Indeed it would be quite remarkable but I wasn’t able to put this to the test so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 27, 2013 Share #38 Posted January 27, 2013 Just the fact that you can forget about LAB! for fixing the reds should be enough of an advantage for you to get the M. :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 27, 2013 Share #39 Posted January 27, 2013 Indeed it would be quite remarkable but I wasn’t able to put this to the test so far. I suppose you can't comment exactly but, from what you have personally seen; do you suppose the M will be nice enough that jaapv will have to eat crow? :p I'm thinking yes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 27, 2013 Share #40 Posted January 27, 2013 Just the fact that you can forget about LAB! for fixing the reds should be enough of an advantage for you to get the M. From an M9-owner obviously not updated on the secrets of photoshop: Can you elaborate, or possibly give a link, to where the LAB-fixing red issue is discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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