philipus Posted January 21, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) So I'm not interested in digital cameras for my main photography (just sold my 5D2 actually) but I must admit I have considered having a small compact. The X20 does seem rather interesting, esp with the new VF with info overlay. FUJIFILM X20: Reconnecting style with substance, bringing the essence of photography back to life | Fujifilm Global I'm wondering to which extent the 2/3" sensor will permit subject-background separation. I'm not bokeh fanatic but I do find that it is nice occasionally to "lift out" subjects from the background. I am also wondering if the "manual" zoom is directly/mechanically coupled or electric and how the manual focus will be. The X100S, apparently, has been significantly improved in the manual focus department (I have tried a friend's X100 which I found absolutely terrible in this respect). I wonder if the X20 will have such an updated manual focus as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted January 21, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 21, 2013 Well, I have had an X10 since last Summer and am very happy with it. The 20 looks like a further step in the right direction. Personally I will probably wait until the X30 before I upgrade - the X10 is very, very good at what it does. I cannot speak for the zoom on the X20, btw but on the X10 it is manual and I suspect they won't change a winning formula. One of the nice features of this camera is that the on-off switch is the zoom ring so you twist it as you bring it to your eye and - voilà! As to the new sensor, the old one allows some "pop" so I am sure the new one will... Prague X10 Parade 3 by Lightmancer, on Flickr Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPJMP Posted January 23, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 23, 2013 Philipus, I just pre-ordered an X20 from B&H. I've never pre-ordered anything before, but after a lot of thought I'm of the opinion that the X20 will be the best digital camera for my needs. Like you I am primarily a film shooter, so my choice in a digital camera tends to be something versatile that will complement my Leica MP. I've been using the D-LUX series for several years, but the new Fujis seem to tick all the right boxes for me. I was intrigued by the X10 when it was released, but the lack of any focus information in the viewfinder made it less appealing and ultimately not much of a perceived upgrade over my D-LUX 5. Fuji seems to have addressed this deficiency in the X20, so I'm in. I contemplated going for the X100S instead, but since this is a companion piece to my film M with 35mm an 50mm primes, I thought that the zoom lens feature would make it the more versatile choice. We'll see... -Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 23, 2013 Looks like a worthy successor to my dear old Digilux 1 at first glance. How bothering is the viewfinder blockage in day to day use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted January 23, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 23, 2013 Any idea what is the viewfinder magnification for the X20? Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 23, 2013 Any idea what is the viewfinder magnification for the X20?... 0.5x according to those specs: Specs - Fujifilm X20 First Impressions Review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted January 23, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted January 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks lct, I was wondering this too. I've tried to find info on the VF blockage - could it be similar to the X10's blockage? Bill, that image is very nice indeed. What's the subject distance? I'm trying to understand the possibilities of background separation. I used a D2 before and it could be done at very close distances (and looked great of course). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2013 Small sensor = huge DoF i'm afraid. May be useful for some purposes but background separation is not the forte of those cameras. For the same field of view, a f/2 lens on the X20 must have more or less the same DoF as a f/8 lens on 24x36 cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 23, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 23, 2013 ...I've tried to find info on the VF blockage - could it be similar to the X10's blockage?... Yes most probably i.e. 12% blockage at 28mm equiv. FoV and 7% at 35mm equiv. FoV according to Sean Reid if i remember well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 25, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2013 Thanks lct, I was wondering this too. I've tried to find info on the VF blockage - could it be similar to the X10's blockage? Bill, that image is very nice indeed. What's the subject distance? I'm trying to understand the possibilities of background separation. I used a D2 before and it could be done at very close distances (and looked great of course). Here, for the record, is the EXIF: Exposure Time = 1/420" F Number = F2.8 Exposure Program = Normal program ISO Speed Ratings = 200 I think he was about 8-10' from me; he was in a parade that was moving reasonably quickly. The people in the background were a further 10-15' behind him IIRC. I used an LC-1 and have been trying to "replace" it ever since. I thought I had come close with the X-10 but to be fair the X-E1 with the 18-55 zoom is its true successor. Regards. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 25, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 25, 2013 Small sensor = huge DoF i'm afraid. May be useful for some purposes but background separation is not the forte of those cameras. For the same field of view, a f/2 lens on the X20 must have more or less the same DoF as a f/8 lens on 24x36 cameras. True in theory of course, LCT but in real-world practice I have been pleasantly surprised with the Fuji. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 25, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 25, 2013 Tempting little thing indeed. How bothering is the viewfinder blockage in day to day use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted January 25, 2013 Yes most probably i.e. 12% blockage at 28mm equiv. FoV and 7% at 35mm equiv. FoV according to Sean Reid if i remember well. I'm not very good with percentages but I think these numbers would be OK with me. Here's the blockage on my M4 of my 35 and 90. Doesn't bother me at all actually. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/196618-fujifilm-x20/?do=findComment&comment=2224220'>More sharing options...
bill Posted January 25, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 25, 2013 Bear in mind I can only speak for the X10. Remember that it is a zoom viewfinder already, so blockage becomes lesss of a problem the longer the lens setting. At 28mm, blockage is less than 10%. By 35mm it has almost disappeared and is not evident at all from 45-50mm on. If you are left-eyed as I am the green focus confirmation light on the back of the camera is already plainly visible. My only complaints with the X10 viewfinder are the slightly rough edges (in vision not the eyepiece) and the less than 100% coverage. Just for the record (and particularly since I have just acquired an X-E1), I won't be upgrading to the X20 but will look at the X30 when it appears. Edit: blockage is less than what you have posted, Philip. Edit #2: I forgot to mention that although not pocketable, mine goes everywhere in a Leica 14522 leather case as made for the M6 and collapsible Elmar 50mm 2.8. It fits like a glove and has just enough space for a small plastic case containing spare battery and memory card. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share #15 Posted January 25, 2013 Thank you Bill. I didn't realise the VF had a zoom function. I see now that the X20 does as well. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveO Posted February 4, 2013 Share #16 Posted February 4, 2013 0.5x according to those specs:Specs - Fujifilm X20 First Impressions Review The specs mention only Iso 200, 6400 with a comma between them. Should that have been a "-" to designate Iso 200- Iso 6400 continuous? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 4, 2013 Share #17 Posted February 4, 2013 Yes. Regards, Bill Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reading Posted February 6, 2013 Share #18 Posted February 6, 2013 Philipus, I just pre-ordered an X -Mike You have just ordered one, you have not "pre-ordered" there is no such verb, pre-order has no meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 6, 2013 Share #19 Posted February 6, 2013 pre-order has no meaning. To quote Wikipedia, “A pre-order is an order placed for an item which has not yet been released.” Of course ‘pre-order’ has a meaning and everyone understands what it means. (The corresponding German verb ‘vorbestellen’ is quite similar.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted February 6, 2013 Share #20 Posted February 6, 2013 You have just ordered one, you have not "pre-ordered" there is no such verb, pre-order has no meaning. To quote Wikipedia, “A pre-order is an order placed for an item which has not yet been released.” Of course ‘pre-order’ has a meaning and everyone understands what it means. (The corresponding German verb ‘vorbestellen’ is quite similar.) Okay, where is the beer? Oh, and honey, please bring some popcorn and nachos, too . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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