Keith (M) Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted January 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmmm, that Canon f1.8 looks tempting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jc_braconi Posted January 14, 2013 Share #22 Posted January 14, 2013 ; the Voigtlander 2.0 Heliar looks like it collapses, but it really doesn't. The nickle finish looks great. It was made for matching the rigid Summar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 14, 2013 Share #24 Posted January 14, 2013 Hmmm, that Canon f1.8 looks tempting...It is more than tempting. It is presently my primary 50 on the Monochrom - and I own a collection of 50 lenses from a 1930ies Elmar 3.5 cm to a Summilux 50 asph.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 14, 2013 Share #25 Posted January 14, 2013 My tuppence worth: to go with a IIIG, my personal choice would be a Zeiss Opton 50/f1.5 Sonnar on an Amadeo Muscelli Contax RF to LTM mount but this is not a cheap option and the focus throw is quite long. The other interesting alternative would be some of the Konica lenses e.g the 50/f2.4 Collapsible LTM Hexanon. I am told this is a super sharp lens and still available new. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
furcafe Posted January 14, 2013 Share #26 Posted January 14, 2013 If you're willing to look beyond Leitz/Leica glass, there's a wide world of high quality 50mm LTM lenses out there in various price points. If you like Sonnars & Sonnar variants, the 5cm/2 Nikkor-H & 5cm/1.4 Nikkor-S are excellent choices, as is the Canon 50/1.5 Serenar. The Amedeo adapter option is good if you want to try out the various Zeiss (Carl Zeiss Jena, Zeiss-Opton, & Carl Zeiss) 50s in Contax RF, though the reverse focus direction may cause some confusion. If you're more into double-gauss designs like the Summicron, I would also recommend the Canon 50/1.8 mentioned by TomB_tx & jaapv. Similar lenses were made by Minolta (Rokkor), Yashica (Yashinon), Tokyo Optical (Simlar & Topcor), Fuji (Fujinon), Konica (Hexanon), et al., in the 1950s-60s, though some are expensive due to collectors (like the Hexanons). Personally, I think the Canon 50/1.4 & Cosina Voigtlander 50/1.5 Nokton are a little too fat for a IIIg (better fit on an M body), but they're fine lenses. Not sure about the design of the collapsible 50/2.4 Hexanon, it is indeed super sharp as you would expect from a modern lens, but it was a limited edition item (2000 produced) made in the late 1990's, so technically no new ones available. You can easily get 1 in true mint condition from Japan, though. My tuppence worth: to go with a IIIG, my personal choice would be a Zeiss Opton 50/f1.5 Sonnar on an Amadeo Muscelli Contax RF to LTM mount but this is not a cheap option and the focus throw is quite long. The other interesting alternative would be some of the Konica lenses e.g the 50/f2.4 Collapsible LTM Hexanon. I am told this is a super sharp lens and still available new. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share #27 Posted January 14, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you all for the wide range of suggestions. So much information, so much to choose from. However, whilst I am happy to use my various ZM lenses on my M9, M7 & MP, I somehow have the feeling that for my IIIg it would only be fitting to use a Leitz of similar vintage on it. Strange, I know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted January 14, 2013 Share #28 Posted January 14, 2013 Keith Not strange at all..... Good luck and do let us know how you decide...... Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 14, 2013 Share #29 Posted January 14, 2013 Then if you want to stick to Leica, I would like others have said, go for the rigid Summicron. I have the final version hex diaphragm Summitar and I am not a big fan of its colour rendition on modern negative film. It seems to me to give a distinct bluish cast in strong sunlight. I am not using a UV filter and maybe that is the issue, so I now use it on black and white only. I think the Summicron is a much better all round lens and it is said (evidence?) that the rigid is sharper than the collapsible. The downside is that they usually cost more as well. TANSTAAFL Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted January 15, 2013 Share #30 Posted January 15, 2013 Strangely enough, the ca.-1999 50mm LTM Summilux is very functional on the IIIg for available light, thanks to the IIIg's steadiness at slow shutter speeds, its excellent finder and the accuracy of its rangefinder. A fairly compact setup,too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 15, 2013 Share #31 Posted January 15, 2013 ... and it is said (evidence?) that the rigid is sharper than the collapsible. The downside is that they usually cost more as well. TANSTAAFL Wilson As already mentioned, I own and use the rigid Summicron as well as the collapsible Summicron, both in LTM. The rigid is notably sharper only at full aperture and maybe at 2.8. From thereon, both lenses perform the same. For some reason, I prefer to use the collapsible on the IIIg, and also use this lens on a Bessa R. Due to its collapsibility, this set makes for a perfect companion when skiing or hiking. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 15, 2013 Share #32 Posted January 15, 2013 Andy, I look at the other side of the equation. For me, the convenience of not having to extend and lock a lens in place outweighs the convenience of size. If I want very small, I have a (not very good) 35/f2.5 Voigtlander LTM Color Skopar. I also have a just pre-war but coated 3.5 Elmar. It is also is not a very good one, with I suspect the coating being done indifferently at some back street shop in the 1950's. My father had his 50/2 Summar coated nicely in The Netherlands in the late 1940's and much preferred it to his later Summitar, which is the one I still have. If I used my IIF or Model II more, I would look for a rigid Summicron but with my Contax IIA/CD + 50/1.5 Opton Sonnar and an M4 to use all my modern M fit lenses, I don't really need any more vintage stuff. I have an M-240 to pay for the near future Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted January 15, 2013 At the end of last week my IIIg was returned to Red Dot to have it's light leak repaired and it will probably be the end of the month before I receive it back. When I have my grubby mitts on it again, I will run a test film through (with the 5cm Elmar f3.5) just to make sure everything is OK. Only once that is out of the way will I commit to a lens, so I do have time to ponder and carry on searching what is out there on the market. Probably will obtain it from a dealer and part-ex my current lens (never having sold anything on Ebay). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 15, 2013 Share #34 Posted January 15, 2013 Keith, Did you ever decide where the light was leaking in? It was still a mystery when last heard of. I hope Red Dot do their stuff well and will give you a repair report. I may have an intermittent light leak issue with my Rolleiflex 3.5E. I sent copies of the shots to Brian Mickelboro and he thought it might be from reloading in too bright light or not rolling up the exposed spool firmly enough with the sticky tape, rather than a leak but I am not 100% convinced. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share #35 Posted January 15, 2013 Wilson - no I was not able to pinpoint the source but clearly somewhere on the take-up spool side. Speaking of which, the camera also had an intermittent habit of tearing through a couple of perforations in the leader (also mentioned to Red Dot). Hopefully as you say, there will be a repair report of some kind. Hopefully your Rollei problem will be sorted soon - as I have discovered with the IIIg, an intermittently faulty camera is no fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 15, 2013 Share #36 Posted January 15, 2013 go with a modern lens, CV or the screwmount 50 Summicrons made in a a small batch and sold in Japan around 1995. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 16, 2013 Share #37 Posted January 16, 2013 Andy, I look at the other side of the equation. For me, the convenience of not having to extend and lock a lens in place outweighs the convenience of size.... Wilson, of course, you could always leave a collapsible Summicron extended . The convenience of size then comes purely as an option. Regards, Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 16, 2013 Share #38 Posted January 16, 2013 Wilson, of course, you could always leave a collapsible Summicron extended . The convenience of size then comes purely as an option. Regards, Andreas Andreas, If as many say the rigid Summicron is better than the collapsible, that would be a self defeating exercise. I have no intention of buying any more LTM lenses anyway at the moment. With 17 Leica lenses, LTM, M and Visoflex anyway plus various other makes which I can use on Leicas, I can usually find a lens that will fill most requirements. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted January 16, 2013 go with a modern lens, CV or the screwmount 50 Summicrons made in a a small batch and sold in Japan around 1995. Good idea, Tobey. Now, if you can just let me have this week's winning lottery numbers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted January 17, 2013 Share #40 Posted January 17, 2013 ...With 17 Leica lenses, LTM, M and Visoflex anyway plus various other makes which I can use on Leicas, I can usually find a lens that will fill most requirements. Wilson Wilson, I know exactly what you are talking about. And my wife wished I had just 17 Leica lenses . Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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