01af Posted December 20, 2012 Share #41 Posted December 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't think anyone is critiquing the composition of what are obviously test snapshots. It's not my impression these were test shots. It's just poor photography—and the photographer is clueless enough to not notice even after the fact. Last month, I saw, and handled, the new M for a few minutes. However it was strictly forbidden to save any shots to our own memory cards. I'd be surprised if this "Dr Rohde" now had the permission to publish any M shots. Seems fishy to me. I guess these shots weren't actually taken with an M camera in the first place. Sure, the EXIF data say, Make=Leica Camera AG; Model=Leica M (Typ 240) ... but it wouldn't be too hard to counterfeit these (and the Maker Notes are deleted). Maybe the purpose is just to draw some traffic and attention to this "Seeking Light" website. And even if they were genuinely taken with a prototype M camera (and published with Leica Camera's consent) ... they just show nothing. Yawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 Hi 01af, Take a look here M-240 "Seeking Light". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted December 20, 2012 Share #42 Posted December 20, 2012 Hard to do 4000 ISO jpegs like this with M8 or M9 though. http://tinyurl.com/c2sh3kh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted December 20, 2012 Share #43 Posted December 20, 2012 Hard to do ISO 4000 JPEGS like this with M8 or M9 though. Who says an M8 or M9 was used? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted December 20, 2012 Share #44 Posted December 20, 2012 in the field of human conflict, never has such a fast expanding thread been made about such awful pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted December 20, 2012 Share #45 Posted December 20, 2012 Rohde and Schwarz has a dominant position in the EMI/EMC market testing emissions of electronic equipment.EMI Compliance - Rohde & Schwarz It would not surprise me that director level friendships lead to Ulrich Rohde's beta testing. Hence the photos are from an enthusiast and engineer rather than a professional photographer. It's a good sign that the hardware is robust enough to be out of the lab - while the firmware and calibration is being polished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 20, 2012 Share #46 Posted December 20, 2012 Awful pictures. Shows that it's money that talks in the Leica world now and not actual photographic talent. Hopefully they've gotten the camera into hands of people that can actually use it. Really pathetic images. As a pathetic photog myself, i seem to recall that some famous photogs have been unable to detect the magenta issue of the M8 in 2006 so why not a doctor, a dentist or a lawyer (are you hearing Leica?) in 2012? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 20, 2012 Share #47 Posted December 20, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Who says an M8 or M9 was used? Not me. Simply that such a 4000 iso jpeg would be good enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted December 20, 2012 Share #48 Posted December 20, 2012 Hard to do 4000 ISO jpegs like this with M8 or M9 though.http://tinyurl.com/c2sh3kh You evidently haven't tried an OMD or the E-PL5 (that uses the same sensor). Anyway, it's all academic - people will tend to see what they want to. It all goes around and around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 20, 2012 Share #49 Posted December 20, 2012 You evidently haven't tried an OMD or the E-PL5 (that uses the same sensor)... I have and would not mind to get a full frame OMD with a true rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted December 20, 2012 Share #50 Posted December 20, 2012 This has got to be a wind up, surely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 20, 2012 Share #51 Posted December 20, 2012 Well I'm sorry to say that he isn't much of a photographer!! I would like to see someone like Brett producing some images before making any judgement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted December 20, 2012 Share #52 Posted December 20, 2012 I would hope that the M-240 would capture more detail than these images where greenery is just blobs. I'm not sure where the ISO 4000 comes from as it is not in the EXIF data of any of the images as shown in C1 or LR. The images lack crispness & pop and all seem mis-focused to some degree. I am amazed Leica would allow these out. However, they seem on par with the ones that were released in Hong Kong a few weeks ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 20, 2012 Share #53 Posted December 20, 2012 Loaded the shot of the lady on the couch into LR4.3 and there is a lot of banding in the shadows which is a little surprising Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/194388-m-240-seeking-light/?do=findComment&comment=2194130'>More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 20, 2012 Share #54 Posted December 20, 2012 At this still early stage of development I would forget about the photographic aspects of the M-240. Based on our experiences with the M9 I sure hope the engineers are having a field day to make the new M as robust and dependable as possible an electrical/electronic/software/firmware machine. I am not concerned at this moment about Leica's ability to meet most high flying expectations about the optical/digital performance of the new gadget. In this spirit I don't see the publication of those images serving any useful purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted December 20, 2012 Share #55 Posted December 20, 2012 If he is "just" a firmware tester, then he probably has no business releasing photographs. What would I know? Depends on the conditions he agreed to, which I'm not privy to. Personally I couldn't give a flying flock how "good" the test images are. Anyone here claiming they don't have crap pictures from out of their window or bad shots of their wife / cat / fruit bowl is a liar. Just relax folks, test mages are ... Guess what ... Test images. As the young 'ns say, haters gonna hate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted December 20, 2012 Share #56 Posted December 20, 2012 Downloaded and played with a few of the images in LR 4.3 and with some boost in expire, some sharpening and a little contrast and WB adjustment and the images look a lot better and are showing more detail. A couple of crops from two of the images. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/194388-m-240-seeking-light/?do=findComment&comment=2194147'>More sharing options...
01af Posted December 20, 2012 Share #57 Posted December 20, 2012 A couple of crops from two of the images. Woohoo! Pictures that are sharp at the center. Isn't it great? Did anyone seriously expect this was possible? Kidding aside—just why are people so keen on seeing some M shots? Are you really afraid the new camera might turn out incapable of taking decent images? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted December 20, 2012 Share #58 Posted December 20, 2012 I want to correct myself. Went back and looked at the larger images with Firefox and its add-on EXIF viewer and most of these were shot at ISO 320, only one, the lady on the couch was shot at ISO 4000 and the last two were shot at ISO 200 if memory serves me. There are three sizes of the image on that web site. The first is in the article, click on the image and you go to a thumb-nail and click on it and you get a larger image that has the full EXIF data. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 20, 2012 Share #59 Posted December 20, 2012 Dr Rhode seems to be a nice guy who takes holiday snaps. Damning with faint praise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaMSeattle Posted December 20, 2012 Share #60 Posted December 20, 2012 While not Pulitzer prize winning images, not everyone has immediate access to great shot opportunities. I see these images as mere snapshots of daily life for this individual albeit done with a dirty sensor. We can see that this new M camera is not immune to dust and dirty sensor. It's just a shame that Leica has not released some examples of the "Prized" images that everyone is looking for on these forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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