andybarton Posted August 27, 2012 Share #61 Posted August 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's kind of tough to spend 10k on a camera/lens and quit after two months, saying that I have just ordered a D800e and 3 primes so that might be my next toy:D If you flit around like a butterfly, spending 1000s on various different cameras, you will never master any of them. Especially an M, which you have admitted you are finding a challenge. Enjoy the D800 and sell the M, that's my advice. Your heart is obviously not in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted August 27, 2012 Share #62 Posted August 27, 2012 That's a bit harsh. He took the time to post here, and ask for help. Isn't it a bit uncharitable to be so dismissive? If you're busy, or tired of people asking such questions, why post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 27, 2012 Share #63 Posted August 27, 2012 No. It's sound advice. An M is not an auto everything DSLR, obviously. It needs patience and work if you have come from that side of the road. If you don't put the work in, to get to remember to focus and understand that it meters differently, then it will forever be a frustration. This is especially true if you have ALSO just gone out and bought a state of the art DSLR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 27, 2012 Share #64 Posted August 27, 2012 Expressed that way, I agree, it's sound advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lm_user Posted August 28, 2012 Share #65 Posted August 28, 2012 It's kind of tough to spend 10k on a camera/lens and quit after two months, saying that I have just ordered a D800e and 3 primes so that might be my next toy:D Really? Do I understand you are giving up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
businessasusual Posted August 28, 2012 Share #66 Posted August 28, 2012 NDW Golf, I'd like to recall the moment the coin dropped for me. I travelled to Tasmania and whilst I was there, did the usual tourist travel. One of the places I visited was Port Arthur - now land marked as the place of the 2nd largest massacre by one person (2nd now only to Norway). Whilst I was there - it would have, without this dark stain, been a emotionally charged place to be, just for the history of what was a notorious penal colony. The history of cruelty resonated in walls which were now crumbling through age. I walked around the ruins and imagined the stories these crumbling walls held. In the meantime and on the opposite side to this crumbling building was the site of what used to be The Broad Arrow Cafe, built in our time for tourists. This, ironically, became the place of where many tourists fell and died. The cafe was demolished except for a couple of walls left as a monument. It hit me like a brick, the couple of walls mirrored the crumbling walls directly across the paddock. The cruelty had done full circle. The hair on the back of my neck stood up, I had the very goosebumps one gets when listenting to a wonderful piece of music. I picked up my camera and just shot - easily 500 digital images, during which time those goose bumps did not disapate. I was emotionally charged. I could see how the tourists mistook the massacre for a re-enactment. I shot, wiping away tears. (yes, I am a cry baby). I looked at the images when we returned to Perth. Something had changed in these, my photographs. For all my years of pursuing perfection I always just ended up with what I saw - for an audience, this becomes a "you had to be there" moment. It was a turning point for me...the camera became the viewmaster for my soul. PS! I have in other threads suggested shooting to music, this serves as an inspirational distraction from concentrating on an outcome. Take care of the now and the then just happens! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted August 28, 2012 Share #67 Posted August 28, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, Neil noted that many times in my interactions with you....told you before... that you are moving to fast even for me.......like the 2nd photo of the guy painting without hands in Malacca even if it's not perfect.... its not in my genes to slooooooooooooow down like many members have stated but I guess I will just have to if I am ever going to get this thing right......time for a beer I think:):) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang Posted August 28, 2012 Share #68 Posted August 28, 2012 Sorry Andy, Neil is not a guy that is going to give up - the D800 is for images that the M9 was not meant for - like the Bull Run in Padang Indonesia !!! :rolleyes: If you flit around like a butterfly, spending 1000s on various different cameras, you will never master any of them. Especially an M, which you have admitted you are finding a challenge. Enjoy the D800 and sell the M, that's my advice. Your heart is obviously not in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 28, 2012 Share #69 Posted August 28, 2012 Hello Everybody, This Thread has taken an interesting turn. I remember years ago, when there used to be this stuff called film, someone asked me what a simple step might be if they wanted to become more involved w/ photography than they could be w/ a simple point & shoot. I suggested to them that probably the easiest way to learn was to use an M w/ a 35 & a clip on meter. Not as hard to learn as all those whiz bangs on an SLR. Sometimes the World is an interesting place. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 28, 2012 Share #70 Posted August 28, 2012 I recently saw a video about HCB. The lead in was an interview with Richard Avedon. So the interviewer asked why HCB was so famous, etc. Avedon put it all in perspective. Paraphrasing he said if I take 10-15 master pieces in my life time I consider my work as a success. But HCB had 150 or more master pieces in his lifetime which I could never attain. They both have taken 100 thousand images or maybe 1 million. To get 10 to 150 "GREAT keepers" took them a lifetime. We no doubt press the shutter too many times due to digital ease. This to me brings down the percentage of personal keepers. Like someone said defining "keeper" is different for all of us. What and where we shoot also affects keepers. I seldom post what "I" consider keepers since we are all very different in our approach. Look what happened to what I believe will eventually be a keeper on your 21mm thread. Some liked it and some thought it was "terrible". What mattered to me was that "I" liked it and its capture meant something to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 28, 2012 Share #71 Posted August 28, 2012 If you flit around like a butterfly, spending 1000s on various different cameras, you will never master any of them. Especially an M, which you have admitted you are finding a challenge. Enjoy the D800 and sell the M, that's my advice. Your heart is obviously not in it. Thanks for your support Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 28, 2012 Share #72 Posted August 28, 2012 Really? Do I understand you are giving up?No I will never give up, I love my Leica and will keep using it but I also like other things in my life and at this present time that thing is a D800e:D:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 28, 2012 Share #73 Posted August 28, 2012 Hello Neil, Enjoy your D800e. Don't forget: A lot of questions are universal. No matter which camera, lens, etc you are using. This Forum can often be a good source of information in many diverse areas & you are always welcome here. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 28, 2012 Share #74 Posted August 28, 2012 Sorry Andy, Neil is not a guy that is going to give up - the D800 is for images that the M9 was not meant for - like the Bull Run in Padang Indonesia !!! :rolleyes: Thanks Fang............ Starting to get my prints ready for Avenue K:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJohnE Posted August 28, 2012 Share #75 Posted August 28, 2012 Just slow down a bit, until you are really familiar with the M. I made no distinction between film and digital cameras in the rate of shots taken; except for practicing focusing and holding the camera steady. Forget the "fact" that digital costs nothing. It costs quality composing and care in timing. Too many photographers take too many shots in the hope of getting one ore two reasonable ones. Digital cameras degrade the general standard of photography; not of themselves, but because so many can be put on one card, why bother to be selective, or learn to look. There should be a little voice in your noggin which tells you when you have a fair or better picture. Sanctimoniously. John who has taken three really good photos in nearly 70 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaethe Posted August 28, 2012 Share #76 Posted August 28, 2012 Start with one thing at a time if you are using the M9. Focusing and muscle memory. Work a single subject, whether it be a still life on your desk, or a tree in your backyard or the hood insignia of your car, just something you can practice on over and over. Move in and out on your subject, focus, refocus. Take the camera down from your face, let it hang by the strap and start again. Return your focusing ring to your chosen starting point, ie 5ft, 10 ft whatever. Muscle memory for your hands takes lots of practice. After you shoot a series, analyze your results, not in camera, but on a computer screen. Try to focus on the same thing each time, the same detail to measure your progress. Soon you will be able to actually have the focus on what you intended. Notice when there is something that you like about an image, see if you can repeat it. None of these photos will be "keepers" but you need to train your hands to be able to reproduce a sequence of steps that will give you your intended results. As others have stated, be glad this is digital, and not film, as you can evaluate immediately while your action sequence is still fresh. kaethe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 30, 2012 Share #77 Posted August 30, 2012 Taken yesterday in KLCC .............M9-P 35mm f2 1000 sec ISO 160 "On my way home" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/186423-i-just-cant-get-it-right/?do=findComment&comment=2099706'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 30, 2012 Share #78 Posted August 30, 2012 Hello Neil, Nice photo. So, what don't you like? Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted August 30, 2012 Share #79 Posted August 30, 2012 Hello Neil, Nice photo. So, what don't you like? Best Regards, Michael Hi Michael Sorry I forgot to mention that I also like this photo, and wanted to show everyone that I haven't quit and that the more I practice the better my shots will get:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 30, 2012 Share #80 Posted August 30, 2012 Hello Neil, You have a good eye & you understand your camera/lens. Exposure is good. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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