earleygallery Posted August 30, 2012 Share #121 Posted August 30, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Kodak digicams seemed to swamp the market (in the UK) in the early days of mass market digicams. I had one too for a while. I don't know why they lost market share. Maybe other manufacturers products were better/cheaper. No doubt camera phones played a big part in it, as casual snappers decided the phone was good enough. But digicams were only the thin end of the wedge of their troubles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larcomb Posted August 30, 2012 Share #122 Posted August 30, 2012 Kodak digicams seemed to swamp the market (in the UK) in the early days of mass market digicams. I had one too for a while. I don't know why they lost market share. Maybe other manufacturers products were better/cheaper. No doubt camera phones played a big part in it, as casual snappers decided the phone was good enough. But digicams were only the thin end of the wedge of their troubles. They brought out cameras through a second rates korean mfr. not good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iliahi Posted August 30, 2012 Share #123 Posted August 30, 2012 If you believe in film, Kodak's CEO, Antonio Perez, has got to go. I doubt that he ever understood and appreciated film cameras. Let's support who ever picks up the film unit. Anybody? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larcomb Posted August 30, 2012 Share #124 Posted August 30, 2012 If you believe in film, Kodak's CEO, Antonio Perez, has got to go. I doubt that he ever understood and appreciated film cameras. Let's support who ever picks up the film unit. Anybody? it's impossible to put in decent language what i feel about perez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted August 30, 2012 Share #125 Posted August 30, 2012 I think they could've simply been the manufacturer of sensors for other's cameras, much like they sell film for film cameras. same model, different technology. and i agree that the rep in the us by the 1990s was that outside of film, kodak products were generally inferior. in the 80s and 90s who bought p&s film cameras with a kodak brand? no one i know. they would've been better off shutting everything done and focused on image reproduction -- film and sensors. but that is all history now and i stand by my view that at the right price the film business can make money presuming the big cratering in demand is past and so a reasonable forecast of demand can be made. against the demand forecast you adjust the price of the film unit to come up with a yield from the business that makes sense to investors. we shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larcomb Posted August 30, 2012 Share #126 Posted August 30, 2012 I think they could've simply been the manufacturer of sensors for other's cameras, much like they sell film for film cameras. same model, different technology. and i agree that the rep in the us by the 1990s was that outside of film, kodak products were generally inferior. in the 80s and 90s who bought p&s film cameras with a kodak brand? no one i know. they would've been better off shutting everything done and focused on image reproduction -- film and sensors. but that is all history now and i stand by my view that at the right price the film business can make money presuming the big cratering in demand is past and so a reasonable forecast of demand can be made. against the demand forecast you adjust the price of the film unit to come up with a yield from the business that makes sense to investors. we shall see. but why would camer companys want to buy kodak sensor when they can make their own? kodaks es[ertise is film and notihng else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJDrew Posted August 30, 2012 Share #127 Posted August 30, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I truly hate to say this, because I root for the Eastman Kodak company... but if you had to support a film company today based on their dedication to customers and to quality products? Ilford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 30, 2012 Share #128 Posted August 30, 2012 I bought a brick of HP5+ today. Lots and lots of choice of different films on the Ilford shelf. Only one film for sale on the Kodak.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted August 30, 2012 Share #129 Posted August 30, 2012 larcomb -- for the same reason leica buys its sensors from kodak and other camera companies use sony sensors, etc etc etc ..... large firms like canon, nikon, panasonic, are really about design, assembly, marketing and distribution. they buy lots of bits and pieces from independent manufacturers and then assemble. true for cars, ipads in china, and cameras. think leica makes every little bit of the m9? firms build to their specifications, to be certain, but leica designs, assembles, etc etc etc ... and just as sony makes lots of sensors for other cameras so too could've kodak .... but like i wrote, this is all ancient history now. and i agree, ilford does much more for its client base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larcomb Posted August 30, 2012 Share #130 Posted August 30, 2012 larcomb -- for the same reason leica buys its sensors from kodak and other camera companies use sony sensors, etc etc etc ..... large firms like canon, nikon, panasonic, are really about design, assembly, marketing and distribution. they buy lots of bits and pieces from independent manufacturers and then assemble. true for cars, ipads in china, and cameras. think leica makes every little bit of the m9? firms build to their specifications, to be certain, but leica designs, assembles, etc etc etc ... and just as sony makes lots of sensors for other cameras so too could've kodak .... but like i wrote, this is all ancient history now. and i agree, ilford does much more for its client base. But theu would not NEED KODAK for that. other companies make sensors. I used to be a loyal kodak customer. that is over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 30, 2012 Share #131 Posted August 30, 2012 But theu would not NEED KODAK for that. other companies make sensors. Kodak does not make Leica's sensor. Kodak is no longer in the sensor business. It was sold off to Platinum Equity and the sensors are made by their company, Truesense Imaging. What chip the new Leica will use is a well-kept secret. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larcomb Posted August 30, 2012 Share #132 Posted August 30, 2012 Kodak does not make Leica's sensor. Kodak is no longer in the sensor business. It was sold off to Platinum Equity and the sensors are made by their company, Truesense Imaging. What chip the new Leica will use is a well-kept secret. . regardless, the Japanese would not need kodak for anything thats why kodak is going down the tubes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 30, 2012 Share #133 Posted August 30, 2012 regardless, the Japanese would not need kodak for anything thats why kodak is going down the tubes It is all past, now. Let it go - except for the issue concerning employee pensions. I'm keeping an eye on EKRA - an association of Eastman Kodak retirees. We advocate for retirees who are receiving benefits from Kodak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted August 30, 2012 Share #134 Posted August 30, 2012 I bought a brick of HP5+ today. Lots and lots of choice of different films on the Ilford shelf. Only one film for sale on the Kodak.... Much as I have enjoyed Kodak films, and will use those I have in my film freezer, I have to agree that we must support a remaining manufacturer. Buy some PanF, some FP4+, some HP5+, and even those Delta products if you like that kind of grain, and buy some chemicals too. Ilford need to know we will buy and keep them profitable. If the demand is lowering, as we know it is, there will be the necessary adjustments among manufacturers. Not many will survive, and we can influence which one does. Yes, those large companies (think yellow) that made daft decisions like relying on a profitable film division when the future was obviously digital have made their mistakes. Tiny operations that relied on film are going to fail (Efke). Someone in between who produces film might snap up the market and survive. That's why I think the B&W shooters should start buying Ilford as I think they have the best chance of succeeding in this fashion. There is a significant chance that all will go under, but I think we can save one of them if we try. I know Ilford don't make C41 or E6 films, but maybe Fuji are the choice we should support in that area? Chris Every time I make one of these posts I feel obliged to back it up with a purchase. Please don't make me buy a second freezer for film only! This post cost me 100ft of PanF, FP4+ and HP5+! Yep, 300ft of bulk film. I'm not sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 30, 2012 Share #135 Posted August 30, 2012 I think I might give Ilford CS a call tomorrow. They're only down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larcomb Posted August 30, 2012 Share #136 Posted August 30, 2012 Much as I have enjoyed Kodak films, and will use those I have in my film freezer, I have to agree that we must support a remaining manufacturer. Buy some PanF, some FP4+, some HP5+, and even those Delta products if you like that kind of grain, and buy some chemicals too. Ilford need to know we will buy and keep them profitable. If the demand is lowering, as we know it is, there will be the necessary adjustments among manufacturers. Not many will survive, and we can influence which one does. Yes, those large companies (think yellow) that made daft decisions like relying on a profitable film division when the future was obviously digital have made their mistakes. Tiny operations that relied on film are going to fail (Efke). Someone in between who produces film might snap up the market and survive. That's why I think the B&W shooters should start buying Ilford as I think they have the best chance of succeeding in this fashion. There is a significant chance that all will go under, but I think we can save one of them if we try. I know Ilford don't make C41 or E6 films, but maybe Fuji are the choice we should support in that area? Chris Every time I make one of these posts I feel obliged to back it up with a purchase. Please don't make me buy a second freezer for film only! This post cost me 100ft of PanF, FP4+ and HP5+! Yep, 300ft of bulk film. I'm not sorry. I like the Fuji B&W films now a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 30, 2012 Share #137 Posted August 30, 2012 I think I might give Ilford CS a call tomorrow. They're only down the road. Why?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 30, 2012 Share #138 Posted August 30, 2012 Just to offer them my support and my future custom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 30, 2012 Share #139 Posted August 30, 2012 Just to offer them my support and my future custom. Best way to do that is by buying their products! Maybe you'd like to suggest a forum discount while you're talking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 30, 2012 Share #140 Posted August 30, 2012 Best way to do that is by buying their products! I already did, as I said above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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