Englander Posted March 12, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) On another thread Guy Mancuso noted that when he tried a WATE at PMA the correct focal length was written into the EXIF data. I wonder if anyone else has been fortunate enough to have this happen with their WATE and 1.092. With mine, I get 18 in the EXIF for all three focal lengths of the WATE. Â If you do get accurate EXIF with a WATE, please post a jpeg of the rear of the lens. Â Thanks, Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 12, 2007 Posted March 12, 2007 Hi Englander, Take a look here WATE EXIF Data. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 12, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Joe here is that Raw file http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=batch_download&batch_id=T2djblRveDM4NVUwTVE9PQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englander Posted March 12, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted March 12, 2007 Thanks, Guy. No question, you had 1.092 and it recorded 16 as the focal length. The question, for Mark and for me at least, is how do we get our equipment to do the same. Â I am thinking that it will mean a lens rehab; wonder what it will cost, besides time lost; and wonder when the change was implemented. I mean, since Leica has known that a change was necessary and they made it, are they still delivering lenses without the necessary change? Are they going to say, "well, yours would work fine with film and now we have a lens designated as the digital-WATE?" That's why I was asking for replies from the group at large to see if anyone at all has received a lens capable of causing delivery of correct EXIF information. Obviously a film-WATE would not be appropriate for people who got the lens with a discount because they bought a digital camera. But is that what Leica has been delivering to other people as well? Â Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 12, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted March 12, 2007 I'm at a loss on this one Joe. Not sure what is going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted March 13, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted March 13, 2007 Guy- Ask them!!!! Â And we will be eternally grateful. Â -Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 14, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted March 14, 2007 I think Leica have come up with a new interpretation of the quick-change bayonet. To change the focal length of the WATE... Â START: Â 1. Remove the lens from the camera 2. Take the Leica screwdriver and remove the 6 screws holding the bayonet ring onto the back of the lens. 3. Safely store the removed bayonet ring is its high quality "echtes Leder" pouch. 4. Remove the new bayonet ring required from its high quality "echtes Leder" pouch. 5. Trying not to drop the screws down the nearest drain, attach the bayonet ring to the back of the lens. 6. Mount the lens on the camera and select the required focal length. Â You find the subject has moved and require a different focal length. GOTO START. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 14, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've been thinking if Leica could make a rotating mount for the WATE ... they just need to add 1 or 2 more codings this way it could create different combinations of bits so the camera would figure out what focal length the WATE is set at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 14, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted March 14, 2007 From looking at the table in the firmware 1.092, I don't think that the WATE tells the M8 its focal length by moving the frame line the way the TE does. The two entries are very different. You can figure out how the TE works from the table, but not how the WATE is doing this. (If it is not a lucky bug, which picks up the number 16 that is sitting in the place where other conventional lenses store their focal lengths.) If we see a WATE report 21mm, I'll be really impressed. Â scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted March 14, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Scott, 16 and 18 from the same lens is already impressive, IMO. I presume 21 works as well, although yes, we should wait for confirmation on this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 14, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Scott, 16 and 18 from the same lens is already impressive, IMO. I presume 21 works as well, although yes, we should wait for confirmation on this point. Â I want to hear what Leica says lies behind this minor miracle. Since the folks at PMA were probably either from marketing or executives, the first question is whether they knew they had this little surprise right in front of them. The second question is how it worked, and was it intended. That may take longer to get an answer. Â scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted March 14, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted March 14, 2007 I think the WATE sets FL in EXIF by using that sensor for the aperture approximation. Â It also has a tilt sensor. When a user points camera forward, then tilts to look at the FL he/she has dialed in, the response from sensor will drop based on hair color. Leica assumes blonds use 21mm and adjusts down for darker hair color to 18 and 16 Â works like the IR magenta. Really a neat feature! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodor Heinrichsohn Posted March 14, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted March 14, 2007 My WATE, delivered late Jan. '07 #4003901 stays at 18mm, regardless of whether set at 16-18-or 21. Teddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted March 14, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Mine records the focal length accurately at every mm between 16 and 21 (it is a true zoom after all) and also it miraculously gives correct EXIF information for the exact aperture selected. Â OK it doesn't. It hasn't even arrived yet. But we can dream... Â ;-) Â Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted March 14, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted March 14, 2007 The issue with the WATE serves as a great example to show people how different teams are disconnected inside the organization ... perhaps the guys working on this particular lens never talked to those making digital cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 14, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted March 14, 2007 I want that DEMO lens. LOL Â Actually i am trying to buy a WATE, that 5 minutes with it put me over the top. Does the filter holder come WITH the lens or is it seperate. Â BTW the viewfinder was nice , big but nice and the built in spirit level was pretty cool. I justcan't decide to get that or not. I have a Contaz (old) 21mm External and a Voigtlander 28mm. But If if I sell my 21mm and CV 15mm and these 2 finders, Than i would have the money for the Wate and finder but more important reduce the amount of stuff in the bag.. BTW I did find a low profile PC Hot shoe with second hot shoe on top if you have to do flash work but i am waiting on one from my Leica rep to try out , so i will pass that info along. there are a couple products hopefully coming for me to try that maybe very handy for the M8. I will report when they do come in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eronald Posted March 14, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted March 14, 2007 I might buy the 21 from you, Guy. Â Edmund Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 14, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Actually have a buyer already on that one. It is a great lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted March 14, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Guy, when you've deaccessioned the 21 and 15, gotten the WATE, get the 24 back again. THAT is a lens. Fiscal prudence, be damned. Â scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 14, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Yes i would wind up adding the 24mm again and i still have the second 30 percent off , so that helps. Fiscal prudence is NOT in the Leica dictionary. LOL Â Sounds like a good plan overall.That 135 3.4 keeps calling my name too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
osera Posted March 14, 2007 Share #20 Â Posted March 14, 2007 Actually i am trying to buy a WATE, that 5 minutes with it put me over the top. Does the filter holder come WITH the lens or is it seperate. Â Â Separate, but you might want to read the trouble M Reichmann had with one on his Antarctica trip. Got stuck on or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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