xalo Posted July 27, 2012 Share #21 Posted July 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) The MP meter is like a fat spotmeter, which changes with every different focal length you use, so you need to keep imagining which 'spot' you are reading with and meter accordingly. That's just what I love! A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 Hi xalo, Take a look here Time to sell the collection and get an MP?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted July 27, 2012 Share #22 Posted July 27, 2012 M3 and M2 bodies are becoming relics. . They have been relics from 30 years ago about... but if in good conditions (and they ARE cameras perfectly engineered to be FULLY maintained) they are usable like a MP... (ok... the M3 could be a "double stroke"... maybe a bit slower...) and is the lens that draws the image, which can be, of course, exactly the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 27, 2012 Share #23 Posted July 27, 2012 So, a couple of years ago when I wanted an MP I already had an M7, M2 and II. I sold the M2 to part fund the MP, and kept the others. Shortly after buying the MP I found another M2. Now, I am down to the M2, MP and II and very happy. We all differ in our wants and needs but what I found was that the M2 and MP are sufficiently different to warrant their own places in the bag. The M2 is "pure", and probably the nicest M I have used. My MP is a 4-frames .85 and also very nice to use but not as smooth as the M2 - I'm sure it will be in 50 years... The II is just a delight to use, full stop. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 27, 2012 Share #24 Posted July 27, 2012 Helo Steve & Scarlet, MP minus M3/M2 or MP minus M3&M2 = a very expensive light meter which only has advantages in a few circumstances w/ an MP. Using a separate lightmeter whether clip on or hand held is not the monstrous, unknowable bogieman some people might think. A clip on is pretty much an inboard. A separate, handheld lightmeter that will spend most of its working life in your pocket can do most of what an inboard meter does in most situations & can usually do it equally easily. Some it does better. It can also teach quite a lot about exposure that an inboard meter cannot. Best Regards, Michael In another thread I referred to pp 24-25 of the M6TTL manual where there are (imho) useful depictions of the metering field at various focal lengths. This is really easy to follow. I read the OP's question as a desire to simplify his kit; he does refer to using an internal meter. So using a separate meter would seem not to be in line with that. But perhaps it is. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/184425-time-to-sell-the-collection-and-get-an-mp/?do=findComment&comment=2072759'>More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #25 Posted July 27, 2012 They have been relics from 30 years ago about... but if in good conditions (and they ARE cameras perfectly engineered to be FULLY maintained) they are usable like a MP... (ok... the M3 could be a "double stroke"... maybe a bit slower...) and is the lens that draws the image, which can be, of course, exactly the same. It's unlikely most M2/M3 bodies will be up for regular use for another 50 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 27, 2012 Share #26 Posted July 27, 2012 By "regular" do you mean like I am using my 83-year-old II most weeks...? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #27 Posted July 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) By "regular" do you mean like I am using my 83-year-old II most weeks...? Regards, Bill Exactly Bill, like 30 to 50 rolls per month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 27, 2012 Share #28 Posted July 27, 2012 Hands up all those here who shoot 30-50 rolls a month... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #29 Posted July 27, 2012 Hands up all those here who shoot 30-50 rolls a month... Regards, Bill I believe you mean't "hats off to." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 27, 2012 Share #30 Posted July 27, 2012 Nope. I believe in quality, not quantity. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #31 Posted July 27, 2012 Why settle? If you're good you're good. More quantity can only equal more quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 27, 2012 Share #32 Posted July 27, 2012 If you truly believe that, I'm out. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #33 Posted July 27, 2012 If you truly believe that, I'm out. Regards, Bill Oh man, you're so cool! 35mm film is there to be shot, always has been. Shoot, shoot, and shoot again. It's yesterday's digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted July 27, 2012 Share #34 Posted July 27, 2012 M3 and M2 bodies are becoming relics. Sell them and get something better, like an MP, and then, if you need a second body, buy an M7. This is VERY BAD advice. The M3 & M2 are much better than an M7. "Relics". Good god, almost every important film photographer I know in NYC still uses one of these bodies everyday. First off, an internal meter is not always the best solution. Most of the guys I know don't want one. It takes a lot away for the intuition and distracts from staying focused on being in a "zone". I, like many film M people I know use a hand held meter (I uses a Digisix), but I don't bring out the meter every time I click my shutter. There's just no need for that. The M3 is by far the greatest M ever when you want to use a 50 mm lens. Nothing even comes close to the immediacy of the moment,.HUGE window to view & focus. The camera is like a sensuous woman that you don't want to let go of. As for the M2, it's my second favorite M, I use my 35 Summilux, 40 Cron and several wide lenses with ease. It's all about mastering your craft ,so you can make the kind of images you want. That takes discipline and mastering your tools. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #35 Posted July 27, 2012 This is VERY BAD advice. The M3 & M2 are much better than an M7. "Relics". Good god, almost every important film photographer I know in NYC still uses one of these bodies everyday. First off, an internal meter is not always the best solution. Most of the guys I know don't want one. It takes a lot away for the intuition and distracts from staying focused on being in a "zone". I, like many film M people I know use a hand held meter (I uses a Digisix), but I don't bring out the meter every time I click my shutter. There's just no need for that. The M3 is by far the greatest M ever when you want to use a 50 mm lens. Nothing even comes close to the immediacy of the moment,.HUGE window to view & focus. The camera is like a sensuous woman that you don't want to let go of. As for the M2, it's my second favorite M, I use my 35 Summilux, 40 Cron and several wide lenses with ease. It's all about mastering your craft ,so you can make the kind of images you want. That takes discipline and mastering your tools. Good god man! Are you trying to make me vomit? Sounds like you need a woman more than a camera. By the way, your "important" photographer claim is baseless. I mean how many do you know? How important are they? Are they merely important to you because you hold hands and one another's relics over a pint at the pub once a month? Most "important" photographers aren't shooting with Leicas, and those who do are usually shooting with more modern bodies. For example Nan Goldin uses an M7 while Bruce Gilden uses an MP. Even Jim Marshal had switched to M6 bodies before he died. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted July 27, 2012 Share #36 Posted July 27, 2012 Good god man! Are you trying to make me vomit? Sounds like you need a woman more than a camera. By the way, your "important" photographer claim is baseless. I mean how many do you know? How important are they? Are they merely important to you because you hold hands and one another's relics over a pint at the pub once a month? Most "important" photographers aren't shooting with Leicas, and those who do are usually shooting with more modern bodies. You obviously don't know many professional photographers in NYC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #37 Posted July 27, 2012 Obviously not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 27, 2012 Share #38 Posted July 27, 2012 It's unlikely most M2/M3 bodies will be up for regular use for another 50 years. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted July 27, 2012 Share #39 Posted July 27, 2012 Good god man! Are you trying to make me vomit? Sounds like you need a woman more than a camera. By the way, your "important" photographer claim is baseless. I mean how many do you know? How important are they? Are they merely important to you because you hold hands and one another's relics over a pint at the pub once a month? Most "important" photographers aren't shooting with Leicas, and those who do are usually shooting with more modern bodies. For example Nan Goldin uses an M7 while Bruce Gilden uses an MP. Even Jim Marshal had switched to M6 bodies before he died. Seriously Starlin, stop being so rude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sterlinstarlin Posted July 27, 2012 Share #40 Posted July 27, 2012 Seriously Starlin, stop being so rude. I'm sorry, but anytime someone compares their camera to a sensous woman I'm reaching for a wastebasket and puking. It's frightening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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